The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

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Re: The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:13 am

Miroku wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:58 pm
People in shambhala (and probably even in rigpa) didn't have really samayas as an unqualified teacher without samayas cannot give them.
Dude! Are you saying CTR was unqualified and without samaya?
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Re: The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

Post by Miroku » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:53 am

Grigoris wrote:
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Dude! Are you saying CTR was unqualified and without samaya?
No, I meant his son. :tongue: CTR was definetly qualified.
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Re: The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

Post by Sādhaka » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:41 pm

The following many of you have probably heard or read at some point:

Hinayana broken vows are very difficult to mend, it’s like dropping a earthen vase or pot; not so easy to fix, as it will most likely have shattered or at least broken into a few pieces.

Mahayana broken vows are like dropping a brass vase or pot, the dents aren’t easy to straighten out, but with some effort can be done.

Tantrayana and Dzogchen broken vows are like dropping a gold vase or pot; gold is a very soft metal (though heavy) and is therefore easier to mend than the other two pots or vases. If left unrepaired, the consequences are heavier; but still, the golden vase is easier to repair than the other two.
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Re: The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

Post by Motova » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:34 pm

heart wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:44 am
Motova wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:26 pm
Why is it so easy to receive empowerments when the risk is so high?
It is rather easy to receive an empowerment that some center have requested in order to get some income. It is not so easy to request an empowerment yourself for an practice that you actually trust as a complete path to liberation and that you also intend to practice fully. Even if any empowerment gives samaya, since the Lama don't think you will do the practice seriously and don't give any commitments (for this reason), to keep your samaya you only need to avoid having negative thoughts about the master. So, not very high risk.
The real high risk comes when you commit to a master and to a path and request the empowerment yourself. Then you have to do the full practice. Many highest yoga tantra empowerment are really big commitments that will keep you busy for many many years and can involve getting substances and tormas and translations and many things that involve money, time and patience just to be able to start, never mind attaining liberation.

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Re: The Ease of Receiving Empowerments

Post by Terma » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:32 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:41 pm
The following many of you have probably heard or read at some point:

Hinayana broken vows are very difficult to mend, it’s like dropping a earthen vase or pot; not so easy to fix, as it will most likely have shattered or at least broken into a few pieces.

Mahayana broken vows are like dropping a brass vase or pot, the dents aren’t easy to straighten out, but with some effort can be done.

Tantrayana and Dzogchen broken vows are like dropping a gold vase or pot; gold is a very soft metal (though heavy) and is therefore easier to mend than the other two pots or vases. If left unrepaired, the consequences are heavier; but still, the golden vase is easier to repair than the other two.
I was reading something very similar to this the other day. It was from the commentary to Jigme Lingpa's "Treasury of Knowledge part 2" it goes on to demonstrate some of the points I made earlier in this thread.

Thanks for providing this...

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