Do the four binding factors apply to pratimoksha vows?

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TMT
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Do the four binding factors apply to pratimoksha vows?

Post by TMT » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:36 pm

In Dudjoms Rinpoches commentary on Ngari Panchen's "Perfect conduct", the four binding factors that constitute a root downfall are given in the section on bodhisattva vows. Im wondering if these apply to the pratimoksha vows.
Lets say you tell a lie for financial support from a family member. At that time you dont consider it an act of stealing. Much later when examining your action you regret it, and consider its taking by subterfuge. You confess to the person. If at no time were the four factors present did you break the vow?

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Re: Do the four binding factors apply to pratimoksha vows?

Post by Malcolm » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:00 pm

TMT wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:36 pm
In Dudjoms Rinpoches commentary on Ngari Panchen's "Perfect conduct", the four binding factors that constitute a root downfall are given in the section on bodhisattva vows. Im wondering if these apply to the pratimoksha vows.
No.

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Re: Do the four binding factors apply to pratimoksha vows?

Post by AJP » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:40 am

TMT wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:36 pm
In Dudjoms Rinpoches commentary on Ngari Panchen's "Perfect conduct", the four binding factors that constitute a root downfall are given in the section on bodhisattva vows. Im wondering if these apply to the pratimoksha vows.
Lets say you tell a lie for financial support from a family member. At that time you dont consider it an act of stealing. Much later when examining your action you regret it, and consider its taking by subterfuge. You confess to the person. If at no time were the four factors present did you break the vow?
Vajrasattva will do it, you need it. Making reparations is essential to the path itself.

You do need Empowerment for that however.

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