Advice for Consultation with Guru

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Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by n8pee » Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am

I've not spoken to my root guru in seven years or so due to my travel and moving around the U.S. I've recently secured an audience via Zoom, which has been made available due to today's COVID crisis.

I have specific practice questions of course. But I feel this urge to let him know his impact on my life, as I've never had a significant private audience with him, but don't wish to make our time together about me and my perceptions. I first met with the lineage teachings nearly twenty years ago.

I am welcome to any advice about how best to utilize the guru's time. From my side he is Vajradhara, and has been the source of all blessings. How does one meaningfully communicate in this situation?

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Post by 明安 Myoan » Sat May 23, 2020 3:36 am

Remember their wish to help you.
With a heart wandering in ignorance down this path and that, to guide me I simply say Namu-Amida-Butsu. -- Ippen

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by krish5 » Sat May 23, 2020 3:44 am

Just be sincere and coming from good motivation to best use this time wisely. You can just briefly mention like what you wrote here, telling him i have some specific practice questions and dont want to make this about myself, but want you to know you definitely impacted my life big time. If we have time, at the end, i would love to share more about it. Your devotion towards him can be seen, felt, i am sure by him, even if you dont get a chance to say much via words to thank him.

Use this opportunity wisely, prepare for it, write down all your questions you want to ask, clear any doubts or concerns you have, that is the best use of this time probably.

Listen carefully, closely to everything he says and afterwards, take notes or if possible record it, for future use and reflection.

Blessings on your consultation.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by n8pee » Sat May 23, 2020 3:50 am

Use this opportunity wisely, prepare for it, write down all your questions you want to ask, clear any doubts or concerns you have, that is the best use of this time probably.

Listen carefully, closely to everything he says and afterwards, take notes or if possible record it, for future use and reflection.
Thank you, this is wise advice. You brought up a specific memory of mine: when my Guru had a brief audience with His Holiness the Dalai Lama, he didn't need to ask any of the questions he had prepared as HHDL answered all of them.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by Malcolm » Sat May 23, 2020 5:08 am

n8pee wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am
I've not spoken to my root guru in seven years or so due to my travel and moving around the U.S. I've recently secured an audience via Zoom, which has been made available due to today's COVID crisis.

I have specific practice questions of course. But I feel this urge to let him know his impact on my life, as I've never had a significant private audience with him, but don't wish to make our time together about me and my perceptions. I first met with the lineage teachings nearly twenty years ago.

I am welcome to any advice about how best to utilize the guru's time. From my side he is Vajradhara, and has been the source of all blessings. How does one meaningfully communicate in this situation?
Remember that from his side he is a human being, no matter what you think.

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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Sat May 23, 2020 7:56 am

n8pee wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am
I've not spoken to my root guru in seven years or so due to my travel and moving around the U.S. I've recently secured an audience via Zoom, which has been made available due to today's COVID crisis.

I have specific practice questions of course. But I feel this urge to let him know his impact on my life, as I've never had a significant private audience with him, but don't wish to make our time together about me and my perceptions. I first met with the lineage teachings nearly twenty years ago.

I am welcome to any advice about how best to utilize the guru's time. From my side he is Vajradhara, and has been the source of all blessings. How does one meaningfully communicate in this situation?
try to relax and not get into the turmoil of the moment, it will make the communication more fluent. it is a happy time, it is good thing you decided to make it possible.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by PeterC » Sat May 23, 2020 1:29 pm

Don’t forget to ask if there’s anything you can do for him or the sangha. It’s surprising how many people are keen to heap adulation on teachers and make lots of demands of them, but never seriously try to help themselves.

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Post by PadmaVonSamba » Sat May 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Write down your questions. Be specific. This alone will be very useful not only in terms of saving time, but sometimes in doing so, the answer comes to you.
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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by krish5 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:47 am

Any update? How did the consultation go? I would love to hear more about it, if you want to share anything. I hope it went well. Metta

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Post by n8pee » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:06 am

Any update? How did the consultation go? I would love to hear more about it, if you want to share anything. I hope it went well. Metta
It's tomorrow. I've compiled a list of just a few questions, a few more general and a few very specifically about aspects of a practice that I wish to do on my own but have only ever done in a group setting.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by smcj » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:33 am

Remember that from his side he is a human being, no matter what you think.
“A human being” can mean a deluded sentient being, a fully enlightened being, or anything in between. In some extraordinary cases, “human“ need not mean limited.
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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by n8pee » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:03 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:08 am
Remember that from his side he is a human being, no matter what you think.
Malcolm's quote is an interesting one, as he is obviously a human being (how would I relate to him otherwise?), but also sloughs off the baggage we project on our teachers.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by Crazywisdom » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:43 pm

n8pee wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am
I've not spoken to my root guru in seven years or so due to my travel and moving around the U.S. I've recently secured an audience via Zoom, which has been made available due to today's COVID crisis.

I have specific practice questions of course. But I feel this urge to let him know his impact on my life, as I've never had a significant private audience with him, but don't wish to make our time together about me and my perceptions. I first met with the lineage teachings nearly twenty years ago.

I am welcome to any advice about how best to utilize the guru's time. From my side he is Vajradhara, and has been the source of all blessings. How does one meaningfully communicate in this situation?
Have one really important question to ask. Then?, be quiet and listen carefully with a totally open mind.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:36 pm

smcj wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:33 am
Remember that from his side he is a human being, no matter what you think.
“A human being” can mean a deluded sentient being, a fully enlightened being, or anything in between. In some extraordinary cases, “human“ need not mean limited.
I meant ordinary human being.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by krish5 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:15 am

So how did it go? Did it go how you expected? Was all the preparation worthwhile and helpful?

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by n8pee » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:04 pm

krish5 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:15 am
So how did it go? Did it go how you expected? Was all the preparation worthwhile and helpful?
Yes, having questions prepared was definitely helpful. The whole conversation lasted probably 30 minutes. It felt great to reconnect. I won't get into the personal details, but one of my questions was on the validity of receiving transmission or empowerment online. My teacher confirmed that this was indeed heavily discussed in the Tibetan community but that HHDL confirmed that it is indeed valid, provided the intention is there for both the teacher and student - i.e., an intention to give and an openness to receive. Just as one can receive a valid transmission through a vision, one can receive online. I had been skeptical about this previously, but no longer so.

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Re: Advice for Consultation with Guru

Post by krish5 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:09 pm

Very happy for you and glad it went well. Thanks for the report, nice to hear follow ups. And very cool that your question was confirmed.

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