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pemachophel wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:56 pm Disclaimer: I'm a bit of a hidden yogi, and I'm not allowed to advertise (and wouldn't anyway). So, to be fair, most people don't know my training and background or how I spend my days. To all my neighbors, I'm just retired, old gardener Bob who always wears a red shirt.
That is sort of how I was taught all vajrayana practitioners should be. On the down low. Nobody should know what we practice, if we practice... what we study, if we study.... who are teachers are, what empowerments we have... if we have any qualities at all. And that includes our fellow practitioners.
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pemachophel wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:56 pm Personally, I haven't found much interest in the services of a ngakpa (other than divination) in even a heavily Vajrayana city like Boulder, CO. Perhaps that's because so many of the practitioners here are old Trungpa Rinpoche students. (Don't ask me to explain that further, please.) I the last year, I've had a single request for a puja, and that was from a Nepali Buddhist.
The issue is you'd have to know how and who to advertise to, if you were even allowed to.
In a place like NYC, Miami, etc. in heavily ethnic areas where belief in magic, and the supernatural is quite strong you'd have a lot better bet of getting steady clientele. But you'd have to lean off the emphasis on what your religion is, how this is tradition, etc. and explain/demonstrate what it is you can do. Having grown up in a culture like that, it's all about building a reputation for getting practical results for members of the community and not being a fraud.

Honestly I think establishing ngakpas as reliable ritual specialists in the US would take a lot of work over many many years. The lack of a large Tibetan community in the US is an issue too.
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Norwegian wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:45 pm
Fortyeightvows wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:12 pm
Mantrik wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:06 pm
You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.
The weather people on TV....in english, they even call them 'forecasts'
"The weather people on TV" can't control the weather.
Tenma said "I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination.......... "
We were talking about that, not about controlling the weather, just divination
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Fortyeightvows wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:14 pm not about controlling the weather, just divination
I’ve always held a maxim that I would only do divination for myself, never for other. To my mind it’s seductive and manipulative if performed for other.
It’s just how I view it, merely a personal choice.
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Grigoris wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:21 pm
PeterC wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:51 pm :rolling:

I get divinations for important things - surgeries, office layout, moving house, etc. I’m generally a very rational person. Part of being rational is recognizing that luck matters and there are many unseen factors outside your control. And getting advice from someone you respect cant really hurt, can it?
Divination has nothing to do with luck. It is all about identifying subtle or difficult to perceive patterns of karma and vipakka/phala, by relying on wisdom beings pointing them out to you via symbols.
I agree. “Luck”, in most languages, doesn’t mean random chance. Strictly speaking there isn’t such a thing as random chance in nature, just factors you have not fully observed or understood.
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PeterC wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:45 amI agree. “Luck”, in most languages, doesn’t mean random chance. Strictly speaking there isn’t such a thing as random chance in nature, just factors you have not fully observed or understood.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:58 am
yagmort wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:47 am where is the statue of Dudjom Lingpa in blue skirt.

aside from Lama Dawa Chödrak Rinpoche as mentioned by Pema Chopel i got it blue shirt is not that common among ngagpa practitioners ?
Every ngakpa has their own style.
Yeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits: Image
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Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:58 am
yagmort wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:47 am where is the statue of Dudjom Lingpa in blue skirt.

aside from Lama Dawa Chödrak Rinpoche as mentioned by Pema Chopel i got it blue shirt is not that common among ngagpa practitioners ?
Every ngakpa has their own style.
Yeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits: Image
I got teachings from him before he went to the USA. He looked like ordinary Khenpo in those days but he was far from ordinary when was teaching.

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heart wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:40 pm
Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:58 am

Every ngakpa has their own style.
Yeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits: Image
I got teachings from him before he went to the USA. He looked like ordinary Khenpo in those days but he was far from ordinary when was teaching.

/magnus
Was he a monk back then? My understanding is the khenpo title
is associated with the monastic vows. Yet these days many khenpos become ngakpas, though the khenpo title still sticks..
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Adamantine wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:00 pm
heart wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:40 pm
Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pm

Yeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits: Image
I got teachings from him before he went to the USA. He looked like ordinary Khenpo in those days but he was far from ordinary when was teaching.

/magnus
Was he a monk back then? My understanding is the khenpo title
is associated with the monastic vows. Yet these days many khenpos become ngakpas, though the khenpo title still sticks..
He lived and taught at Ka-Nying at that time and he looked like a monk, but I don't know. I liked him a lot because of his brilliant and sparkling mind, his teachings where really interesting.

/magnus
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Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pmYeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits:
Possibly because he has accomplished Jambhala or another Ratna family practice?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Grigoris wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:31 pm
Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pmYeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits:
Possibly because he has accomplished Jambhala or another Ratna family practice?
Of maybe he just likes gold brocade. It is very popular among Tibetans.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 pm
Grigoris wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:31 pm
Adamantine wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:19 pmYeah that accords with my experience of various ngakpas I’ve known. For example, Khenpo Choga seems to really like wearing golden outfits:
Possibly because he has accomplished Jambhala or another Ratna family practice?
Of maybe he just likes gold brocade. It is very popular among Tibetans.
Seems reasonable to me. :smile: He seems too like to dress up these days.

He was pretty young when I met him. He lived with a yogi, his root lama, when he was very young. Then he went to Dzogchen monastery and became a Khenpo very fast. When he left Tibet he went to south India and debated with the Gelug. He told me; "they don't like me there".

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heart wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:40 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 pm
Grigoris wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:31 pm Possibly because he has accomplished Jambhala or another Ratna family practice?
Of maybe he just likes gold brocade. It is very popular among Tibetans.
Seems reasonable to me. :smile: He seems too like to dress up these days.

He was pretty young when I met him. He lived with a yogi, his root lama, when he was very young. Then he went to Dzogchen monastery and became a Khenpo very fast. When he left Tibet he went to south India and debated with the Gelug. He told me; "they don't like me there".

/magnus
He also tried to debate CHNN. He lost.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:46 pm
heart wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:40 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 pm

Of maybe he just likes gold brocade. It is very popular among Tibetans.
Seems reasonable to me. :smile: He seems too like to dress up these days.

He was pretty young when I met him. He lived with a yogi, his root lama, when he was very young. Then he went to Dzogchen monastery and became a Khenpo very fast. When he left Tibet he went to south India and debated with the Gelug. He told me; "they don't like me there".

/magnus
He also tried to debate CHNN. He lost.
It would be interesting to here the back story on that one.
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Tenma wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:08 pm
amanitamusc wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:04 am
Tenma wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:25 am Well, I’ll put it this way: all this conversation has convinced me to never become ngakpa (or at least not in this life), it just all seems mundane on a spiritual sense with more restrictions about this rite or that siddhi or some appeasement, etc.


In short, I believe we can lock up this forum. My respects to the great ngakpas and their siddhis, though at this time, I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination, local weather control, etc.
Maybe in the future you can find a Tony Robbins or J.P Sears kinda Ngakpa friends.
As far as there being no need for divination or weather control.This is as applicalble as it ever has been unless you have a handy divination app you are not telling us about.
In short. You have disrespected the Great Ngakpas of the past and present in the same sentence you claim to respect them.
-Why would there be a divination app in the first place?
-Can you tell me something that has been applicable about weather control today then, especially outside of Tibet and India? Why not Africa if it works?
-Sure.

Why do we even need divination? Why have something tell us what to do? Is it not we who decide our fate, not have our fate pre-destined to the organization of a bunch of stuff?
Your questions cast doubt on the abilities of Masters.I hope you develop more confidence.
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amanitamusc wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:37 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:46 pm
heart wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:40 pm

Seems reasonable to me. :smile: He seems too like to dress up these days.

He was pretty young when I met him. He lived with a yogi, his root lama, when he was very young. Then he went to Dzogchen monastery and became a Khenpo very fast. When he left Tibet he went to south India and debated with the Gelug. He told me; "they don't like me there".

/magnus
He also tried to debate CHNN. He lost.
It would be interesting to here the back story on that one.
The story is a few pages into this thread: https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f ... oga+debate
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today via internet i attended a teaching from a ngakpa lama, very nice person wearing his things and having his full shrine.

he said "there are three ways, the shrvakayana, this is the theravada school. the second way..." and i thought "what about the mula-sarvatiavada?". i remained silent and observing.

it was an introduction to buddhism.

again ¿how do you recognize a true ngakpa? and ¿normaly they have "philosophycal" formation?
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:11 am today via internet i attended a teaching from a ngakpa lama, very nice person wearing his things and having his full shrine.

he said "there are three ways, the shrvakayana, this is the theravada school. the second way..." and i thought "what about the mula-sarvatiavada?". i remained silent and observing.

it was an introduction to buddhism.

again ¿how do you recognize a true ngakpa? and ¿normaly they have "philosophycal" formation?
Whats wrong about an introduction to buddhism?
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Tata1 wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:38 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:11 am today via internet i attended a teaching from a ngakpa lama, very nice person wearing his things and having his full shrine.

he said "there are three ways, the shrvakayana, this is the theravada school. the second way..." and i thought "what about the mula-sarvatiavada?". i remained silent and observing.

it was an introduction to buddhism.

again ¿how do you recognize a true ngakpa? and ¿normaly they have "philosophycal" formation?
Whats wrong about an introduction to buddhism?
i mentioned that because of thid the audience was mainly non buddhists, or people with interest, so maybe there wasn't any need to go in a scholarly fashion with much details, but keep it simple.

to answer your question: nothing wrong.
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