The Agamas and the Pali Canon

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The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Dharma Flower » Sun May 14, 2017 2:34 pm

Are there any contradictions between what's taught in the Chinese Agamas vs. what's taught in the Pali canon? I appreciate your help. :namaste:

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Agnikan » Mon May 15, 2017 12:39 pm

Check out the works of Bhikkhu Analayo, such as his Comparative Study of the Majjhima Nikaya.

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Seeker12 » Mon May 15, 2017 1:31 pm

Generally, I think you might have a better response on this board: https://dhammawheel.com/index.php?sid=3 ... bd99e09a25, as this isn't specifically a Mahayana topic.

With that said, I am no expert but I believe there are slight differences. However, the general gist is more or less the same.

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Admin_PC » Mon May 15, 2017 1:53 pm

There are some surprising contradictions, if not directly then by interpretation.

Chapter 1 of the Dirgha Agama mentions Akanistha Pure Abode as a location of prior birth of Shakyamuni. Also says he studied with Buddhas in the past. These are 2 fairly huge departures from some tenets of the Theravada school.
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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Dharma Flower » Mon May 15, 2017 2:18 pm

Seeker12 wrote:Generally, I think you might have a better response on this board: https://dhammawheel.com/index.php?sid=3 ... bd99e09a25, as this isn't specifically a Mahayana topic.
Thank you for your response. As you may know, the agamas are in the Mahayana canon of scripture.

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Dharma Flower » Mon May 15, 2017 2:21 pm

Admin_PC wrote:There are some surprising contradictions, if not directly then by interpretation.

Chapter 1 of the Dirgha Agama mentions Akanistha Pure Abode as a location of prior birth of Shakyamuni. Also says he studied with Buddhas in the past. These are 2 fairly huge departures from some tenets of the Theravada school.
Thank you for your response. Is it more likely that the differences are coincidental or that Theravadins deliberately removed Mahayana-sounding elements from their scriptures?

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Mon May 15, 2017 2:27 pm

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Dharma Flower » Mon May 15, 2017 2:49 pm

Here is a passage from the agamas that if, taken literally, might not fit with certain interpretations of Mahayana teachings, "All Buddhas and world-Honored Ones emerge from the human realm; they do not attain buddhahood somewhere above the heavens."

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by crazy-man » Tue May 16, 2017 2:21 am

https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=21174
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=23346

Comparative Catalogue of Chinese Agamas and Pali Nikayas
https://www.amazon.com/Comparative-Cata ... 8170302315

The Authenticity of the Suttas of the Pali Canon
http://www.leighb.com/palisuttas.htm

The Pali Canon compared to the Agamas
https://digitaltermpapers.com/essays/th ... the-agamas

studies in agama literature - Marcus Bingenheimer
http://mbingenheimer.net/publications/b ... t_2011.pdf

A Digital Comparative Catalog of Āgama Literature
http://mbingenheimer.net/tools/comcat/indexComcat.html

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by Dharma Flower » Wed May 17, 2017 5:58 pm

Dharma Flower wrote:Here is a passage from the agamas that if, taken literally, might not fit with certain interpretations of Mahayana teachings, "All Buddhas and world-Honored Ones emerge from the human realm; they do not attain buddhahood somewhere above the heavens."
What I get from reading this passage is that it's only in the human realm, rather than a Pure Land beyond samsara, in which we can attain Buddhahood. Please forgive me if I am misreading the intent of the passage.

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Re: The Agamas and the Pali Canon

Post by tingdzin » Wed May 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Dharma Flower wrote:It might be an unsolvable mystery.
Ultimately, this has to be the case.

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