'nāma' in nāmamahāyānasūtra

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'nāma' in nāmamahāyānasūtra

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 pm

A lot of Mahāyāna sūtrāṇi have short names (e.g. Saddharmapuṇḍarīkasūtram), and also longer names (e.g. something "like" Āryasaddharmapuṇḍarīkanāmamahāyānasūtram). The "ārya" prefix makes sense, but what of the "nāma" infix?

I presume this means something like "named". So Āryasaddharmapuṇḍarīkanāmamahāyānasūtram would be something like "The Noble Sublime Dharma's White Lotus Named Great Vehicle Scripture". But nāma doesn't look like any sort of past tense I have ever seen.

Is the usage of "nāma" as an infix here related to the usage of "gāmi" as an infix in constructions like asaṁskṛtagāmimārgaḥ (Pāli: asaṅkhatagāmimaggo)?
नस्वातो नापिपरतो नद्वाभ्यां नाप्यहेतुतः उत्पन्ना जातु विद्यन्ते भावाः क्वचन केचन
There absolutely are no things, nowhere and none, that arise anew, neither out of themselves, nor out of non-self, nor out of both, nor at random.
सर्वं तथ्यं न वा तथ्यं तथ्यं चातथ्यम् एव च नैवातथ्यं नैव तथ्यम् एतद् बुद्धानुशासनम्
All is so, or all is not so, both so and not so, neither so nor not so. This is the Buddha's teaching.

一切實非實亦實亦非實
非實非非實是名諸佛法

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Re: 'nāma' in nāmamahāyānasūtra

Post by Wayfarer » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:49 am

At a guess, I think ‘nama’ has an esoteric dimension, as for example in the invocation ‘namo tassa bhagavato...’ which every Buddhist recites. So it is more like an invocation than a grammatical signifier - like ‘the holy name’, the recitation or saying of which itself conveys blessings or causes one to remember or realise the truth of the teaching.
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Re: 'nāma' in nāmamahāyānasūtra

Post by Temicco » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:19 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:12 pm
A lot of Mahāyāna sūtrāṇi have short names (e.g. Saddharmapuṇḍarīkasūtram), and also longer names (e.g. something "like" Āryasaddharmapuṇḍarīkanāmamahāyānasūtram). The "ārya" prefix makes sense, but what of the "nāma" infix?

I presume this means something like "named". So Āryasaddharmapuṇḍarīkanāmamahāyānasūtram would be something like "The Noble Sublime Dharma's White Lotus Named Great Vehicle Scripture". But nāma doesn't look like any sort of past tense I have ever seen.

Is the usage of "nāma" as an infix here related to the usage of "gāmi" as an infix in constructions like asaṁskṛtagāmimārgaḥ (Pāli: asaṅkhatagāmimaggo)?
It's just a typical bahuvrihi/exocentric compound.

e.g. daza-grIva="ten necks" (as a plain karmadharaya) OR "ten-necked one" (as a bahuvrihi)

XYZ-nAma="name of XYZ" OR "one who has the name of XYZ"
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Re: 'nāma' in nāmamahāyānasūtra

Post by Temicco » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:26 am

Wayfarer wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:49 am
At a guess, I think ‘nama’ has an esoteric dimension, as for example in the invocation ‘namo tassa bhagavato...’ which every Buddhist recites. So it is more like an invocation than a grammatical signifier - like ‘the holy name’, the recitation or saying of which itself conveys blessings or causes one to remember or realise the truth of the teaching.
these are different words. nAman ("name") vs. namas ("bowing")
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