What is wrong with feminists these days?

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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

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Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:47 pm

Jesse wrote:5 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myth ... l-not-die/
Written by a conservative shill.
No, Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... n-men.html
Written by the same conservative shill
5 Ways Society Discriminates Against Men
http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfi ... ainst-men/
And for this one, well:
  • Bloomfield, A Voice for Men’s “Director of Social Media,” was recently booted from Twitter (again) for “targeted abuse” — evidently her harassment of feminist writer Jessica Valenti, which included making up inflammatory fake quotations and attributing them to her.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/ ... ted-abuse/
None of these statistics are a result of sexism of women towards men. All of these stats are a result sexism of men towards women.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Taco_Rice » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:47 pm

I commented on the past lives of Feminists and stated that these ideologues exploit four things in men to maintain their political power: guilt, sense of duty (honor), competitiveness, and insecurity. This generation of men cares less and less about the "plight" of women in the developed world because of our first-hand experience with the effects of Feminist driven policies. While it is certainly fortunate that this generation is less apt to take up armed conflict over its grievances than previous generations and that life is generally much better and easier now in previous eras, such ideologues may want to take another look their ideas and at themselves and be sure that their actions are truly serving the common good. Otherwise, their concerns will likely be trumped by more pressing considerations in the future. Change is constant.

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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:07 pm

Taco_Rice wrote:I commented on the past lives of Feminists and stated that these ideologues exploit four things in men to maintain their political power:

hahahahahahaha. Political power?

Congress is only 20% women, in other words, there are only 2 women for every 8 men in the House and the Senate, yet they are the majority population in the US. So please...
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:11 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Jesse wrote:5 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myth ... l-not-die/
Written by a conservative shill.
No, Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... n-men.html
Written by the same conservative shill
5 Ways Society Discriminates Against Men
http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfi ... ainst-men/
And for this one, well:
  • Bloomfield, A Voice for Men’s “Director of Social Media,” was recently booted from Twitter (again) for “targeted abuse” — evidently her harassment of feminist writer Jessica Valenti, which included making up inflammatory fake quotations and attributing them to her.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/ ... ted-abuse/
None of these statistics are a result of sexism of women towards men. All of these stats are a result sexism of men towards women.
Yes, because anyone who disagree with you is *insert demeaning, opinion invalidating word here*.

Women point out sexism towards them = hero's, victims, deserve sympathy.
Males point out sexism towards them = Misogynist, racists, deserves condemnation

Any criticism of feminism automatically makes you prejudiced, and racist, and deluded. There's no need to examine facts, or counterarguments because the forgone conclusion is that anyone who challenges feminism is bad and in need of correction.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Taco_Rice » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:15 pm

Malcolm wrote: Congress is only 20% women, in other words, there are only 2 women for every 8 men in the House and the Senate, yet they are the majority population in the US. So please...
I find your mansplanations of these issues to be be inadequate and oppressive. :smile:

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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:24 pm

Jesse wrote:[

Women point out sexism towards them = hero's, victims, deserve sympathy.
Males point out sexism towards them = Misogynist, racists, deserves condemnation

Any criticism of feminism automatically makes you prejudiced, and racist, and deluded. There's no need to examine facts, or counterarguments because the forgone conclusion is that anyone who challenges feminism is bad and in need of correction.
Sexism and racism are a function of power differentials. Sexism is not just biases like "A women's place is in the kitchen." That is too simplistic.

Gender disparity includes all kinds of issues, like unrecognized household work, the fact that there are very few women in STEM occupations, which are 90% men; that professions where women dominate are sorely underpaid, and even then, women in these positions make less than their make counterparts.

In order to prove that there is systematic sexism against men in our society, you would have to also demonstrate the power differentials through which such disparities happen. Claiming for example that most military casualties are male, for example, is a clear result of barring women from active combat duty until just a couple of weeks ago.

There is no sexism against white men. There are consequences for white men, such as a diminishing power differential in our society that causes some white men to feel discriminated against, but anyone who thinks that there is sufficient gender parity in this society to make the claim that there is a serious problem of discrimination against men is just laughable, the sort of ignorant silliness one sees on Fox and Friends.

And yes, there is a connection between racism and sexism, both are a result of patriarchy, so indeed sexism and racism do go hand in hand.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:25 pm

Jesse wrote: Yes, because anyone who disagree with you is *insert demeaning, opinion invalidating word here*.

Women point out sexism towards them = hero's, victims, deserve sympathy.
Males point out sexism towards them = Misogynist, racists, deserves condemnation

Any criticism of feminism automatically makes you prejudiced, and racist, and deluded. There's no need to examine facts, or counterarguments because the forgone conclusion is that anyone who challenges feminism is bad and in need of correction.
No argument=no counter argument.

Anyway, what/whose 'feminism' are you challenging, and what aspects of that feminism specifically?
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Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:43 pm

There is no sexism against white men.
That's laughable.
Malcolm wrote:And yes, there is a connection between racism and sexism, both are a result of patriarchy, so indeed sexism and racism do go hand in hand.
In order to prove that there is systematic sexism against men in our society, you would have to also demonstrate the power differentials through which such disparities happen. Claiming for example that most military casualties are male, for example, is a clear result of barring women from active combat duty until just a couple of weeks ago.
There is no such thing as systematic sexism against women, people who discriminate do so, they are not the majority as people would like you to believe. Nor is there systematic discrimination against men, but there is still discrimination. Feminism is one such ideology which reeks of it.

The problem is in claiming to know anyone's thoughts and idea's based on a generalization. "Anyone who disagrees with feminism is a misogynist/racist" There are plenty of women who disagree with feminism.
In order to prove that there is systematic sexism against men in our society, you would have to also demonstrate the power differentials through which such disparities happen. Claiming for example that most military casualties are male, for example, is a clear result of barring women from active combat duty until just a couple of weeks ago.
Claiming for example that most military casualties are male, for example, is a clear result of barring women from active combat duty until just a couple of weeks ago.
As I recall there were numerous points made, not a single one.
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Jesse wrote: Yes, because anyone who disagree with you is *insert demeaning, opinion invalidating word here*.

Women point out sexism towards them = hero's, victims, deserve sympathy.
Males point out sexism towards them = Misogynist, racists, deserves condemnation

Any criticism of feminism automatically makes you prejudiced, and racist, and deluded. There's no need to examine facts, or counterarguments because the forgone conclusion is that anyone who challenges feminism is bad and in need of correction.
People with no arguments generally shouldn't expect counter arguments.

Anyway, what/whose 'feminism' are you challenging, and what aspects of that feminism specifically?
The only feminism I see anymore is extremist feminism as shown in the first two links in the OP. IF there are more moderate feminists out there it's rare to hear from them, and most feminists would call them 'fake feminists' anyways.

The point is simply, sexism is not nearly as bad as feminists would like anyone to believe. Men experience similar sexism from society. Denying this is just plain ignorant. Yet men are seen to have no right to question feminist principles without being ostracized, judged, and called misogynists. Equality means equal, it doesn't mean women get more rights than men, or women get to do things men can't do.

Fact is I don't have to be an 'expert' in something to talk about it. If that was true, nobody here should be talking about Buddhism at all, nor 99.9% of any of the topics they engage in. I'm allowed to have an opinion, having it doesn't make me misogynist, and women are not the only ones who face discrimination. Just by saying men aren't discriminated against, you are generalizing and discriminating.

Two homeless people show up at your door and ask if you'l let them sleep indoors for one night(assume it's freezing outside) One is a big young man. The other is a small female. Which are you more likely to hesitate in letting stay?
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:49 pm

Fact is I don't have to be an 'expert' in something to talk about it. If that was true, nobody here should be talking about Buddhism at all, nor 99.9% of any of the topics they engage in. I'm allowed to have an opinion, having it doesn't make me misogynist, and women are not the only ones who face discrimination. Just by saying men aren't discriminated against, you are generalizing and discriminating.
Men do get discriminated against, not sure we'd agree on the ways they do, but they do.

By and large though, women face more discrimination, and face things like literally not being able to walk around without worrying about stuff like harassment and possibly even rape in some areas. That can happen for men too, it's just way rarer.

I also don't know of any feminists (personally that is) that act the way you are describing, only internet polemicists and facebook SJW's..who are usually full of it, and turn out to have little personal investment in their opinions. Do you know any women who consider themselves feminists that have said things like this to you, or are you just making some vague ideological argument based on things you read on the internet that piss you off?

How exactly are these "feminists" negatively effecting you?

If you want to debate abortion, that's one thing, but so far the actual criticism of feminism has been vague from you, and the typical " feminist women are a fifth column bent on destroying western civ" from Taco Rice, not much to really respond to there.

Of course you're allowed to have an opinion, but you are posting it on a forum, you can expect it to be scrutinized. So far the thread is quite light on actual criticism of feminism, and heavy on (ironically) repeated statements about the victimization of men. Isn't that one of the complaints, victim mentality?
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:05 pm

Jesse wrote:
There is no such thing as systematic sexism against women...
There absolutely such systematic sexism against women:
In a different vein, Professor Marsha Freeman notes with regard to the constitution of the United States of America: “The US constitution, 14th Amendment, has been read to prohibit discrimination against women, but the test is not as rigorous as it is with respect to race discrimination-that is, women’s protection is to a lesser standard.” She later asserts: “The effort to expand the constitutional protection died a generation ago.”348 Other shortcomings were identified in the shadow report submitted to the Human Rights Committee prior to its consideration of the second and third reports of
the United States of America:

“The Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection provision has not been consistently interpreted as protecting women from sex discrimination, and it has not been interpreted to require strict scrutiny of sex-based classifications. Instead, the standard ranges from requiring a ‘rational basis’ for sex-based distinctions to requiring an ‘exceedingly persuasive’ justification. The Fourteenth Amendment has not been] interpreted to apply to sexual orientation or gender identity discrimination. Nor does it protect women from discrimination on the basis of pregnancy or childbirth. Further, the amendment has been interpreted to require a demonstration of discriminatory intent; it is not sufficient that a law or policy has a disproportionate impact on one sex.
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publicat ... _women.pdf

This is why we still need an equal rights amendment [ERA].
There are plenty of women who disagree with feminism.
Generally conservative, generally white Christian, who have generally thrown in their lot with defense of patriarchy.


As I recall there were numerous points made, not a single one.

In general all of the points raised were a result of sexist policies promulgated by men, and not women.
The only feminism I see anymore is extremist feminism as shown in the first two links in the OP. IF there are more moderate feminists out there it's rare to hear from them, and most feminists would call them 'fake feminists' anyways.
You need to get out more.
Men experience similar sexism from society.
Only as a Fox News anti-feminist talking point. Otherwise, this idea is plain nonsense.
Yet men are seen to have no right to question feminist principles without being ostracized, judged, and called misogynists. Equality means equal, it doesn't mean women get more rights than men, or women get to do things men can't do.
Women have same rights as men, but experience discrimination because of their gender. Men do not experience discrimination because of their gender, even though some of them may wish to believe it is so.
men aren't discriminated against, you are generalizing and discriminating.
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Men certainly experience discrimination, but not because of their gender.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:05 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fact is I don't have to be an 'expert' in something to talk about it. If that was true, nobody here should be talking about Buddhism at all, nor 99.9% of any of the topics they engage in. I'm allowed to have an opinion, having it doesn't make me misogynist, and women are not the only ones who face discrimination. Just by saying men aren't discriminated against, you are generalizing and discriminating.
Men do get discriminated against, not sure we'd agree on the ways they do, but they do.

By and large though, women face more discrimination, and face things like literally not being able to walk around without worrying about stuff like harassment and possibly even rape in some areas. That can happen for men too, it's just way rarer.

I also don't know of any feminists (personally that is) that act the way you are describing, only internet polemicists and facebook SJW's..who are usually full of it, and turn out to have little personal investment in their opinions. Do you know any women who consider themselves feminists, or are you just making some vague ideological argument based on things you read on the internet that piss you off?

How exactly are these "feminists" negatively effecting you?
No men don't have to worry about getting raped, they have to worry about being robbed and murdered by another man.

Men in our society are discriminated against in the exact same ways females are. They are objectified in the same way, and they face equal if not more violence than women. Just not the same types of violence. Men do in fact get abused in relationships, I've seen it happen. It's a real thing.

"White male" Privilege is a generalization. Not all white males are of the same economic status, physical build, intelligence, mental hygiene, sexuality, or anything else. There's no such thing as a blanketed 'white male'. Discrimination happens on an individual basis far more often than it does in some generalized manner.
I also don't know of any feminists (personally that is) that act the way you are describing, only internet polemicists and facebook SJW's..who are usually full of it, and turn out to have little personal investment in their opinions. Do you know any women who consider themselves feminists, or are you just making some vague ideological argument based on things you read on the internet that piss you off?
I don't know any feminists. The only experience I have with them is online. Like I said if there are more moderate feminists, I have never heard from them. I thought feminism was a good idea until I started reading articles written by them, because they do indeed reek of an anti-men sentiment, entitlement, and pure generalized judging of all 'white men'. Which I find it incredibly stupid.

There was an article not too long ago where a group of feminists wanted their school principle to be fired unless he made a public announcement at his school acknowledging and apologizing for his 'white male privilege', etc. There forums are filled with questions on how to 'educate' men in their lives of how privileged they are etc. If you go and point out the ways in which women are privileged, you'll instantly be cast a misogynist, verbally attacked and usually quickly banned. Women also have privileges in society which men do not. I'm sure everyone can think of at least a few.

Anyway this entire thing started with me pointing out how deluded the posters of that specific forum/thread are by pasting their own statements. Calling children parasites, fetuses not human beings, etc. How it moved on to 'feminism' in general is beyond me. I think it started when someone suggested I get my head examined for having an opinion contrary to their own.

And I'll just go ahead and apologize for my aggressive behavior/tone. I get mad pretty quickly when confronted in a hostile manner, but I'm not the only guilty party. I don't think anyone is stupid, nor do I specifically hate anyone. My aggression is a known issue I'm still working on.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:15 pm

Jesse wrote:
I don't know any feminists. The only experience I have with them is online. Like I said if there are more moderate feminists, I have never heard from them. I thought feminism was a good idea until I started reading articles written by them, because they do indeed reek of an anti-men sentiment, entitlement, and pure generalized judging of all 'white men'. Which I find it incredibly stupid.

There was an article not too long ago where a group of feminists wanted their school principle to be fired unless he made a public announcement at his school acknowledging and apologizing for his 'white male privilege', etc.
But there is such a thing as white male privilege.
There forums are filled with questions on how to 'educate' men in their lives of how privileged they are etc. If you go and point out the ways in which women are privileged, you'll instantly be cast a misogynist, verbally attacked and usually quickly banned.
White women are privileged with respect to their race, but not their gender.
Women also have privileges in society which men do not. I'm sure everyone can think of at least a few.
For example?
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Post by dharmagoat » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:17 pm

Jesse wrote:Anyway this entire thing started with me pointing out how deluded the posters of that specific forum/thread are by pasting their own statements. Calling children parasites, fetuses not human beings, etc. How it moved on to 'feminism' in general is beyond me.
It might have something to do with the title of the thread, "What Is Wrong With Feminists These Days?"
Jesse wrote:And I'll just go ahead and apologize for my aggressive behavior/tone. I get mad pretty quickly when confronted in a hostile manner, but I'm not the only guilty party. I don't think anyone is stupid, nor do I specifically hate anyone. My aggression is a known issue I'm still working on.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:20 pm

1. Female privilege is being able to walk down the street at night without people crossing the street because they’re automatically afraid of you.

2. Female privilege is being able to approach someone and ask them out without being labeled “creepy.”

3. Female privilege is being able to get drunk and have sex without being considered a rapist. Female privilege is being able to engage in the same action as another person but be considered the innocent party by default.

4. Female privilege is being able to turn on the TV and see yourself represented in a positive way. Female privilege is shows like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond where women are portrayed as attractive, competent people while men are shown as ugly, lazy slobs.

5. Female privilege is the idea that women and children should be the first rescued from any sort of emergency situation. Female privilege is saving yourself before you save others and not being viewed as a monster.

6. Female privilege is being able to decide not to have a child.

7. Female privilege is not having to support a child financially for 18 years when you didn’t want to have it in the first place.

8. Female privilege is never being told to “take it like a man” or “man up.”

9. Female privilege is knowing that people would take it as a gravely serious issue if someone raped you. Female privilege is being able to laugh at a “prison rape” joke.

10. Female privilege is being able to divorce your spouse when your marriage is no longer working because you know you will most likely be granted custody of your children.

11. Female privilege is being able to call the police in a domestic dispute knowing they will take your side. Female privilege is not having your gender work against where police are involved.

12. Female privilege is being able to be caring or empathetic without people being surprised.

13. Female privilege is not having to take your career seriously because you can depend on marrying someone who makes more money than you do. Female privilege is being able to be a “stay at home mom” and not seem like a loser.

14. Female privilege is being able to cry your way out of a speeding ticket.

15. Female privilege is being favored by teachers in elementary, middle and high school. Female privilege is graduating high school more often, being accepted to more colleges, and generally being encouraged and supported along the way.

16. Female privilege being able to have an opinion without someone tell you you’re just Misogynist .”

17. Female privilege is being able to talk about sexism without appearing self-serving.

18. Female privilege is arrogantly believing that sexism only applies to women.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:20 pm

dharmagoat wrote:
Jesse wrote:Anyway this entire thing started with me pointing out how deluded the posters of that specific forum/thread are by pasting their own statements. Calling children parasites, fetuses not human beings, etc. How it moved on to 'feminism' in general is beyond me.
It might have something to do with the title of the thread, "What Is Wrong With Feminists These Days?"
Suggesting Modern Feminism.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by rory » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:25 pm

Can we get back to the big issue of abortion and what to do about it. It's all ready too late and dangerous and expensive for a woman to have one.

Let's go back to the source - men. What should men do to prevent unwanted births? This just doesn't happen to women randomly (pace the sperm bank) men have to ejaculate near a woman for conception to happen so let's return to them as being all important in this issue. What do men need to do?
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The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Jesse » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:28 pm

rory wrote:Can we get back to the big issue of abortion and what to do about it. It's all ready too late and dangerous and expensive for a woman to have one.

Let's go back to the source - men. What should men do to prevent unwanted births? This just doesn't happen to women randomly (pace the sperm bank) men have to ejaculate near a woman for conception to happen so let's return to them as being all important in this issue. What do men need to do?
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Wear condoms, get a vasectomy if you never want children, help pay for birth control while in a relationship. Be able to participate in conversations about having children without being told it's purely a women's issue.
The cost of a thing is the amount of what I call life which is required to be exchanged for it, immediately or in the long run.
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Re: What is wrong with feminists these days?

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:34 pm

Jesse wrote:]
No men don't have to worry about getting raped, they have to worry about being robbed and murdered by another man.

Men in our society are discriminated against in the exact same ways females are. They are objectified in the same way, and they face equal if not more violence than women. Just not the same types of violence. Men do in fact get abused in relationships, I've seen it happen. It's a real thing.
They don't get physically or sexually abused to anywhere near the same degree that women do, though it does happen. My wife works in the legal field, and I can tell you, the number of cases involving abuse of men is miniscule, far beyond what could be explained by under reporting, etc. I don't know where you are from, but I grew in an area of the country with extremely high violent crime rates, have been shot at, experienced muggings etc. And yet, even with that many of the women I know have been through worse simply by virtue of being female. The violence women face is more omnipresent BY FAR than it is for males of comparable class. Though for sure class has a huge effect, on the bottom economic rung things like sexual abuse are widespread, and while it certainly happens to male children, young girls face an insane amount of abuse...I could tell you real-life stories that would make you want to puke. Girls and women are treated as literally subhuman in some sections of society, stuff that some people believe goes on only in the third world, but is plenty prevalent here.
"White male" Privilege is a generalization. Not all white males are of the same economic status, physical build, intelligence, mental hygiene, sexuality, or anything else. There's no such thing as a blanketed 'white male'. Discrimination happens on an individual basis far more often than it does in some generalized manner.
If you actually bothered with criticism of modern feminism and identity movements, you would know that some "feminists" point out this exact thing - that race and gender cannot be separated from class, which plays a huge role in what kind of discrimination people face. Nonetheless, if you think being a white male does not afford you overall privilege, you are being blind IMO. A woman in your comparable economic/social state faces more obstacles, not only that, but they increase exponentially as you descend the social ladder.

I don't know any feminists. The only experience I have with them is online. Like I said if there are more moderate feminists, I have never heard from them. I thought feminism was a good idea until I started reading articles written by them, because they do indeed reek of an anti-men sentiment, entitlement, and pure generalized judging of all 'white men'. Which I find it incredibly stupid.
"Heard from them"? How can you "hear from" anyone about a huge subject like feminism online? You yourself choose what you read what you expose yourself to, you've basically just admitted that beyond what you choose to read, you don't know any feminists. There are uninformed people across the entire political spectrum. Right now, especially identity-warriors on the left of a certain age make really bad arguments.
There was an article not too long ago where a group of feminists wanted their school principle to be fired unless he made a public announcement at his school acknowledging and apologizing for his 'white male privilege', etc. There forums are filled with questions on how to 'educate' men in their lives of how privileged they are etc. If you go and point out the ways in which women are privileged, you'll instantly be cast a misogynist, verbally attacked and usually quickly banned. Women also have privileges in society which men do not. I'm sure everyone can think of at least a few.
Ok, go ahead and name the rights women that have men don't. As to some second-hand talking point , without real context, I can't really comment. There are for sure some really irritating SJW types out there, I have had run ins with them myself.
Anyway this entire thing started with me pointing out how deluded the posters of that specific forum/thread are by pasting their own statements. Calling children parasites, fetuses not human beings, etc. How it moved on to 'feminism' in general is beyond me. I think it started when someone suggested I get my head examined for having an opinion contrary to their own.

Yes, I find the typical liberal "it's not a baby therefore there's no moral issue" defense of abortion to be paper thin...no disagreement there.

And I'll just go ahead and apologize for my aggressive behavior/tone. I get mad pretty quickly when confronted in a hostile manner, but I'm not the only guilty party. I don't think anyone is stupid, nor do I specifically hate anyone. My aggression is a known issue I'm still working on.
Thanks for the candor, I was rude too, sometimes it's hard with these kinds of discussions.
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