Response to Wrong Views?

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by narhwal90 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:13 pm

There is the concept of making a teaching suitable to the listener, prominent in the Lotus Sutra, which seems a skilful means argument. The streetcorner handbill or lecture approach doesn't seem to provide a lot of latitude in that area- having done it myself years ago, you have the brochure or even small card with basic pitch and a couple seconds of face-time. But you never know how you may or not reach someone and there are many SGI members around dating back to that old NSA-era practice, probably a lot of people were turned off by it too. Nowadays the fashion is to engage others to the extent they show interest, the pitch comes from relating ones own experience and not a lecture.

It think it might be hasty to categorize all such efforts as proselytising, though that surely happens sometimes.

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Wayfarer » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:24 pm

Malcolm wrote: Buddhadharma has spread in the world due to the merit of sentient beings, and when that merit is finally exhausted, the Dharma will vanish at the same time.
The Buddha devoted the last 45 years of his life to teaching, and his successors have always been committed to propogating the dharma. There are verses in praise of 'giving the gift of dharma'.

Teaching is not a bad thing. But it is not the kind of evangelising which seeks to convert others in spite of themselves. Christianity in particular has done a lot of that; they believe their's is the one true faith, and that all those who don't convert are doomed to hell. I suppose becasue of that, 'proselytising' might have negative connotations; perhaps that is what you're reacting to. But the history of Buddhism is full of stories of converts from other religions, not least many of the influential early Mahayanists, as well as those skilled in debating who converted others (like Ashvagosha).

Buddhism certainly doesn't evangalise in the Christian sense, but it's still a teaching religion, otherwise it never would have spread in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and Dharmawheel wouldn't exist.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:58 am

Queequeg wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Queequeg wrote: Why is a mantra on a card handed out in time square not liberation through seeing?
It depends on the mantra. Not all mantras are liberation through seeing.
Assuming it is, then what?
People are not handing out liberation through wearing mantras in Times Square. It would be strange if they were.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:09 am

Queequeg wrote:
Ok. But what wayfarer points out is not negated. There is an effort to reach others.

Not really — this is why a buddha is likened to a wish-fullfilling gem. When found, wish-fulfilling gems grant all wishes. When not found...

This passive Buddha you seem to describe does not jive with what I've understood as the path...

That is the nature of understanding the difference between samsaric paths and nirvanic paths; lower paths versus higher paths.
I'd point out the active, proactive Buddha is a feature in East Asia in general.
I would point out that this is irrelevant.
It's expressed in the ideal of Bodhisattvas like Avalokitesvara and Ksitigarbha.
Ideals are nice, but they are just that — ideals; and ideals are fabrications.
It's in the Lotus where the Buddha is constantly contriving to approach beings and lead them on the path. The Buddha's hand is always extended, always active, guiding beings whether they are aware or not.
Sounds like you confused Jesus with the Buddha.
This impulse to serve others is a capacity understood to be intrinsic to us -just as a parent is selflessly concerned for their child. it follows that when we find a path out, even if we have not completed it, we see others struggling and know they could be freed, we might want to share that.
This impulse is generally speaking, a Māra.
Just as I would stop and offer a jump to a stalled driver, or give directions to someone who is lost. There's no ego in that, just the simple fact that someone needs help and I can. Car jump started, or person sent in the right direction, and off I go.
This is quite different than evangelizing and proselytizing Buddhadharma. In the case of helping someone with a flat, you know exactly what the problem is and what to do to help them. In the case of Buddhadharma, generally, we really do more harm than good to sentient beings through the arrogance that we can help anyone. In fact, it is impossible unless you are yourself a realized person.
It seems you guys are guided by a modesty, but the house is on fire and the restraint you practice could be viewed as callous.
In the parable of the burning house, it is the Buddha that calls out to his three children, trying to entice them with different carts. Who among us is a Buddha, with the capacity to help sentient beings out of that house when indeed we are just as trapped, in the very same house?
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Simon E. » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:13 am

Queequeg wrote:
Simon E. wrote:I think we need to be clear about our own motivation.
I know that in times past when I have been gung-ho about evangelising it was actually about my own needs for certainty and about wanting others to be more like me.

Just saying.. :smile:
Congratulations you recognized your ego. Sounds like you're still struggling with that.
Just saying.. :smile:

You are absolutely correct.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by narhwal90 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:23 pm

There are a number of passages in the Lotus Sutra like this "“Ajita, suppose there is a person who speaks to another person, saying, ‘There is a sutra called the Lotus. Let us go together and listen to it.’ And suppose, having been urged, the other person goes and even for an instant listens to the sutra." (Benefits of Responding with Joy) which doesn't support efforts related to conversion, but discusses the benefit of trying to introduce others- indeed from chapter 14 "When he opens his mouth to expound or when he reads the sutra, he should not delight in speaking of the faults of other people or scriptures. " OTOH neither is there a mandate that the follower go out and teach, its more about conduct which includes some support of making distinctions and expediency.

OTOH I was never skilful or comfortable doing the the streetcorner brochure thing, but others were. Back in the day there was actually a good deal of peer pressure to go out and do that stuff, organized campaigns with lots of people etc- I'm glad its not done that way now.

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:48 pm

narhwal90 wrote:There are a number of passages in the Lotus Sutra like this "“Ajita, suppose there is a person who speaks to another person, saying, ‘There is a sutra called the Lotus. Let us go together and listen to it.’ And suppose, having been urged, the other person goes and even for an instant listens to the sutra."
Such passages presume an pre-existing interest.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:49 pm

Malcolm wrote: People are not handing out liberation through wearing mantras in Times Square. It would be strange if they were.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if they were! Instead of a tourist trap, it'd be an enlightenment vortex!
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Jeff H » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:07 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Jeff H wrote:What I think of as proselytization or evangelism is much less subtle than that. Those activities refer to broad proclamations and individual browbeating intended to sway someone who may or may not yet be ready.
So distinguish that out of the consideration.
What then?
Then skillful means. And then I agree with you when you say,
Queequeg wrote:This impulse to serve others is a capacity understood to be intrinsic to us -just as a parent is selflessly concerned for their child. it follows that when we find a path out, even if we have not completed it, we see others struggling and know they could be freed, we might want to share that. Just as I would stop and offer a jump to a stalled driver, or give directions to someone who is lost. There's no ego in that, just the simple fact that someone needs help and I can. Car jump started, or person sent in the right direction, and off I go.
But I also agree with all but the last sentence when Malcolm says,
Malcolm wrote:This is quite different than evangelizing and proselytizing Buddhadharma. In the case of helping someone with a flat, you know exactly what the problem is and what to do to help them. In the case of Buddhadharma, generally, we really do more harm than good to sentient beings through the arrogance that we can help anyone. In fact, it is impossible unless you are yourself a realized person.
I don’t believe all help is impossible and neither do I believe people can be dragged into Buddhism. I believe Buddhism is the answer, but not for everyone right now: individuals need to see the truths of Buddhism as they apply to them at a given time.

Buddhas know perfectly what a person needs and when. Bodhisattvas have gained significant insight and can know sometimes. Practitioners can share what they’ve heard.

My new motto, ala Queequeg:
"Inwardly aggressive for Dharma; Outwardly timid, reserved, restrained, and modest."
We who are like children shrink from pain but love its causes. - Shantideva

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:46 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Queequeg wrote:
Ok. But what wayfarer points out is not negated. There is an effort to reach others.

Not really — this is why a buddha is likened to a wish-fullfilling gem. When found, wish-fulfilling gems grant all wishes. When not found...

This passive Buddha you seem to describe does not jive with what I've understood as the path...

That is the nature of understanding the difference between samsaric paths and nirvanic paths; lower paths versus higher paths.
I'd point out the active, proactive Buddha is a feature in East Asia in general.
I would point out that this is irrelevant.
It's expressed in the ideal of Bodhisattvas like Avalokitesvara and Ksitigarbha.
Ideals are nice, but they are just that — ideals; and ideals are fabrications.
It's in the Lotus where the Buddha is constantly contriving to approach beings and lead them on the path. The Buddha's hand is always extended, always active, guiding beings whether they are aware or not.
Sounds like you confused Jesus with the Buddha.
Lotus Chapter 4 - in the parable of the prodigal son, the father most certainly contrives to approach his son who is initially terrified of him. In the parable of the burning house, the children pay no mind to the father until he promises them toys. In the parable of the doctor, he sends word that he is dead to shock his children into taking medicine. In the jataka of Sadaparibhuta, the bodhisattva proclaims people's buddhahood even when they don't want to hear about it.
And, young men of good family, the word that the Tathâgata delivers on behalf of the education of creatures, either under his own appearance or under another's, either on his own authority or under the mask of another, all that the Tathâgata declares, all those Dharmaparyâyas spoken by the Tathâgata are true.
Kern Tr.

This passage is the culmination of his declaration of his Immeasurable life span when he explains he's constantly abiding and teaching beings.
This impulse to serve others is a capacity understood to be intrinsic to us -just as a parent is selflessly concerned for their child. it follows that when we find a path out, even if we have not completed it, we see others struggling and know they could be freed, we might want to share that.
This impulse is generally speaking, a Māra.
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Maybe in some circumstances. It's also the commiseration in the sangha between beings, which is just commiseration between all of us as we are all on the path.
Just as I would stop and offer a jump to a stalled driver, or give directions to someone who is lost. There's no ego in that, just the simple fact that someone needs help and I can. Car jump started, or person sent in the right direction, and off I go.
This is quite different than evangelizing and proselytizing Buddhadharma. In the case of helping someone with a flat, you know exactly what the problem is and what to do to help them. In the case of Buddhadharma, generally, we really do more harm than good to sentient beings through the arrogance that we can help anyone. In fact, it is impossible unless you are yourself a realized person.
You keep using these words proselytize, evangelize. These seem to be what you are hung up on here.

I've suggested above about telling people about dharma with no expectation. When I fix a flat for someone, theres no expectation. When someone is miserable, obsessing over some superficial detail and I, coming along, talk it through with them concerning it's insubstantiality, and alleviating the pressure by employing the little dharma ive learned, and explaining that this is what the Buddha taught, is that harm? Life is practice. Telling people there's a teaching that can cure their ills is harm?

By your own view of karma, for those the referral to dharma will not resonate with, it won't resonate. And for those karmically inclined, it will.

Further, if you really believe what you write, you should stop participating in these discussions, and DW ought to be silent... unless people are making implicit claims.
:rolling:
It seems you guys are guided by a modesty, but the house is on fire and the restraint you practice could be viewed as callous.
In the parable of the burning house, it is the Buddha that calls out to his three children, trying to entice them with different carts. Who among us is a Buddha, with the capacity to help sentient beings out of that house when indeed we are just as trapped, in the very same house?
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Thus I heard. The m%#-+&%$ f#&-+%% house is on fire. But there's toys! BodhiSvaha!
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Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:50 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Lotus Chapter 4 - in the parable of the prodigal son, the father most certainly contrives to approach his son who is initially terrified of him. In the parable of the burning house, the children pay no mind to the father until he promises them toys. In the parable of the doctor, he sends word that he is dead to shock his children into taking medicine. In the jataka of Sadaparibhuta, the bodhisattva proclaims people's buddhahood even when they don't want to hear about it.
To expand the scope, also the example of Vimalakirti.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:57 pm

Queequeg wrote:
This passage is the culmination of his declaration of his Immeasurable life span when he explains he's constantly abiding and teaching beings.
  • Because the awakening of the sugata does not exist, his magical apparitions appear to the deluded, similar to an illusion.
-- Mañjuśrimitra

I've suggested above about telling people about dharma with no expectation.
I don't say anything unless some asks of their own accord. It's a discipline.

M
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Post by Simon E. » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:25 pm

A true story.

I used to frequent a shop in London run by and for the Tibet Society. It sold a range of rupas, thankas, incense , books and so on.
One particular young chap who worked there caught my attention. He had a certain je ne sais quoi. I suspected that this came from being a practitioner of the HYT's.
I asked him about this. He replied that he worked there because had a great deal of admiration for Tibetan culture, but that he knew nothing about the practices.

I discovered some time later that he was a disciple of a well-known Karma Kagyu teacher who regarded him as one of his most accomplished students.

Not talking about it was one of the disciplines imposed on him by that teacher.
His not talking about it was in fact very eloquent.
Dharma permeated all his speech and actions.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:28 pm

Jeff H wrote:[

I don’t believe all help is impossible and neither do I believe people can be dragged into Buddhism. I believe Buddhism is the answer, but not for everyone right now: individuals need to see the truths of Buddhism as they apply to them at a given time.

Buddhas know perfectly what a person needs and when. Bodhisattvas have gained significant insight and can know sometimes. Practitioners can share what they’ve heard.

My new motto, ala Queequeg:
"Inwardly aggressive for Dharma; Outwardly timid, reserved, restrained, and modest."
I dig. Personally, I agree.

I'm also pushing this subject out because I want to understand the question more thoroughly. I'm very familiar with the 'street Shakubuku' Narwhal refers to. I saw it work and sow seeds that bore wonderful fruit. I've also seen it go awry. I've seen it practiced in the most selfish manner and still bear good fruit. That I attribute to the stainless nature of dharma itself which takes its own course on planting. Confidence that dharma works notwithstanding the imperfections of its sowers.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:33 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Queequeg wrote:
This passage is the culmination of his declaration of his Immeasurable life span when he explains he's constantly abiding and teaching beings.
  • Because the awakening of the sugata does not exist, his magical apparitions appear to the deluded, similar to an illusion.
-- Mañjuśrimitra
Similar to an illusion? But not quite...
I've suggested above about telling people about dharma with no expectation.
I don't say anything unless some asks of their own accord. It's a discipline.

M
[/quote]

Your record is public... often, there's no question...

Lol.

Just messing. :bow: :cheers:
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:37 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Queequeg wrote:
This passage is the culmination of his declaration of his Immeasurable life span when he explains he's constantly abiding and teaching beings.
  • Because the awakening of the sugata does not exist, his magical apparitions appear to the deluded, similar to an illusion.
-- Mañjuśrimitra
Similar to an illusion? But not quite...
If the awakening of the sugata does not exist, then his appearance is just a delusion of the deluded, similar to an illusion (i.e., something a person believes is real, when it is not).

Your record is public... often, there's no question...
On a Buddhist forum, one's interest can be taken for granted.

:group: (that includes you too, maybay, nonperson that you are)
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:02 pm

Malcolm wrote: If the awakening of the sugata does not exist, then his appearance is just a delusion of the deluded, similar to an illusion (i.e., something a person believes is real, when it is not).
but this "does not exist" does not equal "nothing". Something... what it is aint exactly clear, [to the deluded...?] Anyway, that rabbit hole is where I draw the line in trying to discuss or explain. NamoBuddhaya

The only thing I would point out is that the Lotus and Mahaparinirvana Sutras flip the MO and resort to positive language, which makes them different than many other sutras in this critical respect. I know very well the misunderstanding that comes when people come from the perspective of the Lotus and then interact with people coming from the perspective of other Sutras - the impossibility of mutual discussion when this critical detail is not understood from both sides.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by narhwal90 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:59 pm

I think Malcom is making a subtle point, or at least it is to me lol.. that there is a difference between taking someone to hear a recitation of the sutra vs broaching the subject, perhaps unilaterally. The streetcorner campaign is more of the latter as compared to bringing up the subject when conversation with someone makes it pertinent to do so. From stories people have told in meetings these days SGI propagation is more about bringing up the subject when pertinent, yet there is a forward posture to it which is different from the clerk of the TIbetan store above.

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:32 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Malcolm wrote: If the awakening of the sugata does not exist, then his appearance is just a delusion of the deluded, similar to an illusion (i.e., something a person believes is real, when it is not).
but this "does not exist" does not equal "nothing"..
Yes, it equals delusion. When one is no longer deluded, for what reason would one need the appearance of a buddha? Given that this is so, just how is the appearance of a buddha not a delusion?
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Response to Wrong Views?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:30 pm

I guess that's one way to see it.
:shrug:
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

I think each human being has things to find out in his own life that are inescapable. They’ll find them out the easy way or the hard way, or whatever.
-Jerry Garcia

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