Politics and Toxicity

Discuss the application of the Dharma to situations of social, political, environmental and economic suffering and injustice.
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Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:16 am Ok.. it seems we talked past each other... no aggression was intended, passive or otherwise.. also no interest in fighting here or moral high ground.. i am sorry if that's how I came across..
No you misunderstood my point and responded by drawing conclusions about me. You make a point about not judging and there you go.

LOL
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Queequeg wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:25 pm
Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:16 am Ok.. it seems we talked past each other... no aggression was intended, passive or otherwise.. also no interest in fighting here or moral high ground.. i am sorry if that's how I came across..
No you misunderstood my point and responded by drawing conclusions about me. You make a point about not judging and there you go.

LOL
Right.. . time for another hiatus.
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Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:50 pm time for another hiatus.
Nice to have the choice. :hi:
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Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:04 pm This is all fine and good, but what would you have done in Hamlet's place with all this knowledge and wisdom?
I am not sure why Hamlet (a fictional story) is of significance to you, but you seem to relate to it and see something in it that we as human beings face regularly especially when we approach politics (considering the title of this thread).

Could you be more specific?
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Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:04 pm
This is all fine and good, but what would you have done in Hamlet's place with all this knowledge and wisdom?
Bundokji is correct to return to the Four Noble Truths on this. Hamlet's noted "apathy" was really a complex mask of negative emotions that appeared as indecision and despair but was really rage and a commitment to revenge. This was possibly hidden even from himself. Most (all?) of Shakespeare's tragedies are like this - beneath the surface a commitment to action has been made that unfolds later with extreme consequences.

Hamlet was unable to see that life is a mass of suffering based on ignorance and dualistic perception in which we create our future by reacting emotionally and following selfish and limited self-interest. Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).

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kirtu wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:04 pm
Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).

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The Cicada wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:33 pm
kirtu wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:04 pm
Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).

Kirt
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

"Most all-knowing Mañjuśrī, ...
Please illuminate the radiant wisdom spirit
Of my precious Buddha nature."
HH Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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boda wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:54 pm
Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:50 pm time for another hiatus.
Nice to have the choice. :hi:
EVERYONE has the choice. Even arseholes...that's not aimed at you Dan. :smile:
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Simon E. wrote: Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:58 am
boda wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:54 pm
Dan74 wrote: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:50 pm time for another hiatus.
Nice to have the choice. :hi:
EVERYONE has the choice. Even arseholes...that's not aimed at you Dan. :smile:
With all due respect, Simon, it's what you call an 'inside joke', see: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... ide%20joke.
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Time for a break.
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