Dan74 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:16 am
Ok.. it seems we talked past each other... no aggression was intended, passive or otherwise.. also no interest in fighting here or moral high ground.. i am sorry if that's how I came across..
No you misunderstood my point and responded by drawing conclusions about me. You make a point about not judging and there you go.
LOL
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Dan74 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:16 am
Ok.. it seems we talked past each other... no aggression was intended, passive or otherwise.. also no interest in fighting here or moral high ground.. i am sorry if that's how I came across..
No you misunderstood my point and responded by drawing conclusions about me. You make a point about not judging and there you go.
Dan74 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:04 pm
This is all fine and good, but what would you have done in Hamlet's place with all this knowledge and wisdom?
I am not sure why Hamlet (a fictional story) is of significance to you, but you seem to relate to it and see something in it that we as human beings face regularly especially when we approach politics (considering the title of this thread).
Could you be more specific?
The cleverest defenders of faith are its greatest enemies: for their subtleties engender doubt and stimulate the mind. -- Will Durant
Dan74 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:04 pm
This is all fine and good, but what would you have done in Hamlet's place with all this knowledge and wisdom?
Bundokji is correct to return to the Four Noble Truths on this. Hamlet's noted "apathy" was really a complex mask of negative emotions that appeared as indecision and despair but was really rage and a commitment to revenge. This was possibly hidden even from himself. Most (all?) of Shakespeare's tragedies are like this - beneath the surface a commitment to action has been made that unfolds later with extreme consequences.
Hamlet was unable to see that life is a mass of suffering based on ignorance and dualistic perception in which we create our future by reacting emotionally and following selfish and limited self-interest. Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
kirtu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:04 pm
Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).
kirtu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:04 pm
Hamlet should have revealed the court corruption and his knowledge of his father's murder without initiating the cycle of death in his revenge and then left the palace to become a hermit (for the time) or possibly a cleric or a wandering knight righting wrongs peacefully (which wouldn't really have been possible in his time, or ours either).
Kirt
Trubador?
Even better!
Kirt
“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche