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Please Help Me

Post by jsimon329 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:32 am

Has anyone heard of the first stage of meditation in which you have a vision of a lotus flower. I think the stages go like to see, to hear, to think, and then to travel. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME

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Post by tingdzin » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:03 am

There are literally dozens of ways to meditate in the various schools of Buddhism. Having a vision of a lotus flower as the first stage is not one that I personally have heard of, and must be kind of rare, or maybe it's Hindu. One usual way of describing the stages in Tibetan Buddhism goes: 1)hearing (teachings), 2) reflecting (on them),and meditating (actualizing them). The lotus is a very common symbol in Buddhism, and appears in various meditative systems, but never in the first stage that I know of. And what do you mean travel? Feel free to PM if I can help you, though I am only online about once a week.

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Post by CedarTree » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:10 am

jsimon329 wrote:Has anyone heard of the first stage of meditation in which you have a vision of a lotus flower. I think the stages go like to see, to hear, to think, and then to travel. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME
I am also very curious to what you are talking about. Please post again with more details.

It could be that your talking about a "Nimitta" for Absorption style meditation but will need more explaining from you.

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Post by kirtu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:29 am

This can vary very greatly. In the teachings (so the Pali sutras in this case) there is a reference to visions that can accompany very deep concentration. I didn't think much about them until one of them happened to me during a longer Zen retreat.

But, your vision may be something completely different.

Did you have a vision of a lotus during an intense, fairly long retreat (a few days at least). If so, then this could be a sign that you have achieved a deep state of concentration. But this doesn't happen to everyone. Like I said, it varies very widely.

At any rate you shouldn't get distracted. It's really nothing. Keep practicing.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Post by Strive » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:36 am

jsimon329 wrote:Has anyone heard of the first stage of meditation in which you have a vision of a lotus flower. I think the stages go like to see, to hear, to think, and then to travel. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME
if u see lotus when meditating most likely u are having hallucination and should stop lol

u can also see that kind of stuff with shrooms and dmt

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Post by Grigoris » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:57 am

jsimon329 wrote:Has anyone heard of the first stage of meditation in which you have a vision of a lotus flower. I think the stages go like to see, to hear, to think, and then to travel. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME
What is your meditation practice?
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Post by cky » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:03 am

If you are practicing shamatha, this could be a Nimitta. Lotus flower actually is a classic. Although this only appears at a very advanced stage.

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Post by CedarTree » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:11 am

cky wrote:If you are practicing shamatha, this could be a Nimitta. Lotus flower actually is a classic. Although this only appears at a very advanced stage.
I think the common is actually white light, foggy light, kind of a blueish haze in front of the vision. All of these are eyes closed.

To have a concrete Lotus Flower being held in perfect stasis like a Nimitta would be insane for the level of concentration and energy developed.

Enter that into the Jhanas and your probably gonna blast through into the Immaterials Lol!

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Post by CedarTree » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:11 am

kirtu wrote:This can vary very greatly. In the teachings (so the Pali sutras in this case) there is a reference to visions that can accompany very deep concentration. I didn't think much about them until one of them happened to me during a longer Zen retreat.

But, your vision may be something completely different.

Did you have a vision of a lotus during an intense, fairly long retreat (a few days at least). If so, then this could be a sign that you have achieved a deep state of concentration. But this doesn't happen to everyone. Like I said, it varies very widely.

At any rate you shouldn't get distracted. It's really nothing. Keep practicing.

Kirt
Kirt I really want to hear more about your experience! :)

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Post by kirtu » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:24 am

cky wrote:If you are practicing shamatha, this could be a Nimitta. Lotus flower actually is a classic. Although this only appears at a very advanced stage.
This is what I was referring to in my response as well.

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Post by jsimon329 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:34 am

I had a vision of a lotus flower during analytical meditation. I was told by someone that (and by someone else) that having a vision of a lotus flower is the first stage of meditation. Then the next step is "to hear". In this stage you can hear people far away or you can hear dead people. I was in this stage jsut for a little time.

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Post by jkarlins » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:48 pm

Just keep sitting. Sit with a group if you can. Most meditators don't think about stages this way.

If you can remain focused on an object for a while that's really good. If you feel some kind of bliss that's good too. If you can sit for longer periods, that's a good sign potentially. You might want to read about the ethical groundwork for this training too.

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Post by White Lotus » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:08 pm

Only you know what this means. Its important. :smile:
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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