Is it wrong to control the mind?
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Is it wrong to control the mind?
Is it wrong to control the mind? Why do people say that we can only observe the mind?
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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
That depends on your practice. If you are taming the wild ox, when discriminating intention arises you are directing towards the non-discriminating state.leveraldo8 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm Is it wrong to control the mind? Why do people say that we can only observe the mind?
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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
Not, "wrong"... but you have to examine what you mean by "control".
What this usually means is, during meditation, thoughts arise. You don't try to suppress them.
Don't indulge them, but also don't try to "not think".
Thoughts arise, you just give them room and return to watching your breath or whatever your focus is.
So, don't try to control thoughts.
But, controlling the mind, meaning to intentionally focus the mind,
or to make an effort not to get attached to passing emotions,
to discipline the mind, that's different from controlling thoughts.
If your focus is watching the mind itself, letting the mind rest and observing it, or examining if it can be found anywhere, etc.,
if the mind is an object of your awareness, then you don't need to make it do anything.
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What this usually means is, during meditation, thoughts arise. You don't try to suppress them.
Don't indulge them, but also don't try to "not think".
Thoughts arise, you just give them room and return to watching your breath or whatever your focus is.
So, don't try to control thoughts.
But, controlling the mind, meaning to intentionally focus the mind,
or to make an effort not to get attached to passing emotions,
to discipline the mind, that's different from controlling thoughts.
If your focus is watching the mind itself, letting the mind rest and observing it, or examining if it can be found anywhere, etc.,
if the mind is an object of your awareness, then you don't need to make it do anything.
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An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
The Buddha thinks is quite fine to control the mind. Definitely not wrong
"Monks, I know not of any other single thing that brings such woe as the mind that is untamed, uncontrolled, unguarded and unrestrained. Such a mind indeed brings great woe.
"Monks, I know not of any other single thing that brings such bliss as the mind that is tamed, controlled, guarded and restrained. Such a mind indeed brings great bliss."
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
It you dont understand how a car works, you cannot control it. On the other hand, if you do understand how a car works, it is easy to control.
If you dont understand how to drive you might try to control the car by forcefully pushing it. In the same way, if you dont understand the mind you might try to control it by forcefully stopping yourself from thinking. But, from what I hear, this is not the best way to go about it.
To control the mind you first need to understand how it works. I think that there is the hardest thing to do. Once you understand it, im guessing you just need to develop your body and mind so that you have no distractions. 0nly then can you take control of your own mind.
If you dont understand how to drive you might try to control the car by forcefully pushing it. In the same way, if you dont understand the mind you might try to control it by forcefully stopping yourself from thinking. But, from what I hear, this is not the best way to go about it.
To control the mind you first need to understand how it works. I think that there is the hardest thing to do. Once you understand it, im guessing you just need to develop your body and mind so that you have no distractions. 0nly then can you take control of your own mind.
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
I really enjoy The Simile of the Cup by Ajahn Brahm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0haCa ... index=3&t=
my anecdotal understanding is we do chose letting of the mind's grassing though the mind's desire to grasp so pervasive it requires constant practice of cognitively letting go of control until it becomes intuitive.
so the question remains Is the relinquishing of grasping control?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0haCa ... index=3&t=
my anecdotal understanding is we do chose letting of the mind's grassing though the mind's desire to grasp so pervasive it requires constant practice of cognitively letting go of control until it becomes intuitive.
so the question remains Is the relinquishing of grasping control?
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
tkp67 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:49 pm I really enjoy The Simile of the Cup by Ajahn Brahm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0haCa ... index=3&t=
my anecdotal understanding is we do chose letting of the mind's grassing though the mind's desire to grasp so pervasive it requires constant practice of cognitively letting go of control until it becomes intuitive.
so the question remains Is the relinquishing of grasping control?
The human mind insists that such a question MUST have a simple yes or no answer. It has no such answer. To understand this is great progress.
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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
No. Sometimes you have to actually control the mind, esp. when you hit a period of serious mental or volitional karmic ripening.leveraldo8 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm Is it wrong to control the mind? Why do people say that we can only observe the mind?
However observing the mind leads to actual insight.
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“Where do atomic bombs come from?”
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
Giving up on controlling the mind (non-grasping) is essentially a method of controlling the mind. No matter what words are used to describe it. Control, Taming, etc.
The feeling of needing to 'control' what's happening in the mind results from clinging to mental phenomena. Once clinging is relinquished, thoughts lose all power over you, their true nature is perceived. Ideas like controlling the mind become laughable as you understand the essential mistake being made. The fundamental flaw is a misunderstanding that has been conditioned by being attached to our thinking, thoughts, ideas, etc.
The feeling of needing to 'control' what's happening in the mind results from clinging to mental phenomena. Once clinging is relinquished, thoughts lose all power over you, their true nature is perceived. Ideas like controlling the mind become laughable as you understand the essential mistake being made. The fundamental flaw is a misunderstanding that has been conditioned by being attached to our thinking, thoughts, ideas, etc.
Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.
Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?
Stolen from a social media post by Astus.If one thought suddenly arises, you can neither lock it up with a thousand locks nor tie it down with ten thousand feet of rope. How, then, can you strive to extinguish it or bring it to an end? Let me explain this clearly. Say you want to shut off this blazing consciousness, which is like a mirage. You may say it is close, but you’ll never discover it anywhere in all the worlds of the ten directions. You may presume it is distant, but you find it right before your eyes. If you follow it, it just gets further away. If you try to avoid it, it keeps following you. You can neither grab hold of it nor let go of it. If you know this, you will know that it is the same for the nature of all dharmas. There’s no use being worried or anxious about it."
(II.29)
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde