Is it wrong to control the mind?

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Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by leveraldo8 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm

Is it wrong to control the mind? Why do people say that we can only observe the mind?

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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by LastLegend » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:07 pm

leveraldo8 wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:50 pm
Is it wrong to control the mind? Why do people say that we can only observe the mind?
That depends on your practice. If you are taming the wild ox, when discriminating intention arises you are directing towards the non-discriminating state.
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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by PadmaVonSamba » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:53 pm

Not, "wrong"... but you have to examine what you mean by "control".
What this usually means is, during meditation, thoughts arise. You don't try to suppress them.
Don't indulge them, but also don't try to "not think".
Thoughts arise, you just give them room and return to watching your breath or whatever your focus is.
So, don't try to control thoughts.

But, controlling the mind, meaning to intentionally focus the mind,
or to make an effort not to get attached to passing emotions,
to discipline the mind, that's different from controlling thoughts.

If your focus is watching the mind itself, letting the mind rest and observing it, or examining if it can be found anywhere, etc.,
if the mind is an object of your awareness, then you don't need to make it do anything.
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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by seeker242 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:24 am

The Buddha thinks is quite fine to control the mind. Definitely not wrong :smile:
"Monks, I know not of any other single thing that brings such woe as the mind that is untamed, uncontrolled, unguarded and unrestrained. Such a mind indeed brings great woe.

"Monks, I know not of any other single thing that brings such bliss as the mind that is tamed, controlled, guarded and restrained. Such a mind indeed brings great bliss."
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!

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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by yadi » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:07 pm

It you dont understand how a car works, you cannot control it. On the other hand, if you do understand how a car works, it is easy to control.

If you dont understand how to drive you might try to control the car by forcefully pushing it. In the same way, if you dont understand the mind you might try to control it by forcefully stopping yourself from thinking. But, from what I hear, this is not the best way to go about it.

To control the mind you first need to understand how it works. I think that there is the hardest thing to do. Once you understand it, im guessing you just need to develop your body and mind so that you have no distractions. 0nly then can you take control of your own mind.

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Re: Is it wrong to control the mind?

Post by tkp67 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:49 pm

I really enjoy The Simile of the Cup by Ajahn Brahm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0haCa ... index=3&t=

my anecdotal understanding is we do chose letting of the mind's grassing though the mind's desire to grasp so pervasive it requires constant practice of cognitively letting go of control until it becomes intuitive.

so the question remains Is the relinquishing of grasping control?

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