Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by tkp67 » Wed May 15, 2019 11:15 pm

tatpurusa wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:53 pm
Nox wrote:
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Just so everyone is on the same page, schizophrenia is a person split off from reality, not someone with split/multiple personalities.

Can a schizophrenic, or others with severe mental illness that heavily impacts the persons ability to grasp reality, ever attain enlightenment or even so much as any progress in their meditation practice?

Nowadays many schizophrenics make full recoveries, often only with medication however. So in addition to the main question stated above, does the typical medication, antipsychotics, affect ones ability to see clearly?

Any insights would be appreciated. Reference to specific sutras or teachings would be prefered. Asking this as I can’t find anyone giving a full answer to this type of question.
I believe a much more appropriate method for that would be shamanism.
Shamanism is capable of transforming the very same persons that in the West would be declared mentally ill and treated as such into shamans and healers.
But this process needs a close relationship to an authentic shaman and long-term accompaniment by him.



Bon integrates both shamanistic practices (originating from Siberian shamanism) with meditation and other healing practices.
In such a case meditational practices should begin when the person already got stabilized by shamanism.
I find this quite interesting as psychedelics/entheogens played a very large role in my life after traditional medicines / methodologies failed

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by tatpurusa » Thu May 16, 2019 12:14 am

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by tkp67 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:30 am

Thank you so very much for that. My "mental illness" and trauma have been great catalysts for compassion, empathy and understanding and I have tried to treat them as gifts and this all just resonates with me quite powerfully.

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by sahajaonline » Fri May 17, 2019 10:47 am

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by SunWuKong » Sat May 18, 2019 2:28 am

Vasana wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 1:16 pm
TrimePema wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:51 am
As long as theyre not completely gone into a totally different reality where there is no way for them to receive transmission, I would think it's kind of irrelevant to the path :)

edit: meditation is meditation. either you're aware of it or you're not. meditation for a schizophrenic is the same as meditation for anyone else. it's all the same delusions and illusions
nope, this really isn't the case. not all delusions are equal in terms of how they manifest nor are all meditation instructions equal in how they influence the body and mind . Even people with no history of mental imbalances can find themselves worse off if they meditate too intensely, incorrectly or without proper guidance or understanding of how to regulate the further ends of the mental/emotional or physical spectrum.
In general, there are many mental conditions that can be made worse from meditation. Experienced teachers, that is teachers who are actually trained in teaching meditation know this, they know how t handle a variety of adverse reactions. That's not to say there is no dharma practice suitable for them, but sitting meditation is and can be a serious confrontation with inner demons not to be trifled with very often.
"We are magical animals that roam" ~ Roam

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by tatpurusa » Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 pm

Another article (from the African tradition) about shamanistic practices and mental illness.

https://www.jaysongaddis.com/the-shaman ... l-illness/

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Re: Can schizophrenics make progress to enlightenment through meditation?

Post by shanyin » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:39 am

I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia and I noticed that I am more interested in sitting on my couch smoking than I am trying to have a disciplined meditation routine.

Everyone is a different person, everyone has a different brain, everyone's conditioning is different etc. I think one reason I want off medication is so that I can progress towards enlightenment though meditation.

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