A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

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ananda
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A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

Post by ananda » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:49 am

In the sutra espousing the chanting of the mantra it states: "If one completes a recitation of this mantra 200,000 times, he will dream of the buddhas, bodhisattvas, pratyekabuddhas and sravakas, and see a black substance being vomited out of one's mouth."

"Should an individual commit a heavy karmic transgression, upon reciting the mantra 200,000 times he or she shall dream of the buddhas and bodhisattvas and will also, in his or her dreams, vomit a black substance. "
The Sutra says the Dharani to be spoken to achieve these visual signs is uttered is:
NAMO SAPTANAM SAMYAKSAMBUDDHA KOTINAM. TADYATHA: OM, CALE, CULE, CUNDI SVAHA.

Now my question is: Can you chant just the heart mantra which is : Om Cale Cule Cundi Svaha
And still get the same results as though as if you chanted the entire dharani or do you have to chant the entire thing ?
Don't know if it'll work but the promise of those auspicious signs makes me hopeful of such consoling dreams. If you can attest to the validity of the sutra please do !

In other words can you chant the mantra like this and still receive the benefits the sutra speaks of ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PGu-KEj ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin

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Re: A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

Post by LastLegend » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:44 am

Yes, the same result.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

Post by Aemilius » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:44 am

Generally in mantra practices you recite the longer mantra while visualising the Deity in front. When visualizing yourself as the Deity, you recite the heart mantra.
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Re: A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

Post by littletsu » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:25 pm

Well...I think the more detailed you do the practice the more benefits you get from it.

Here is a very detailed explanation of how to do the Cundi mantra:

http://www.meditationexpert.com/meditat ... enment.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Does anyone have extensive experience with this mantra?

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Re: A question about the Maha-Cundi Dharani

Post by Kaji » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:18 am

ananda wrote:(...)
Don't know if it'll work but the promise of those auspicious signs makes me hopeful of such consoling dreams. If you can attest to the validity of the sutra please do !
(...)
I have read somewhere that, if after continuous and enduring practice one experiences supernatural auspicious signs, one should not widely tell others of them and should instead ask one's teacher/monk/nun in private.

The best way for you to see the validity of the sutra is to, I think, practise its method diligently and observe the effects. I also think it is best not to practise while being doubtful of the sutra. I have seen sutra that say something like "this dharani will definitely bring you the said benefits, unless practised not with the most faithfulness and goodness". Practising while doubting whether a method will not work may very well be a self-fulfilling prophecy/doubt. So I've learned.
Namas triya-dhvikānāṃ sarva tathāgatānām!

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