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Aung San Suu Kyi denies ethnic cleansing

Post by michaelb » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 pm

Aung San Suu Kyi has denied there is ethnic cleansing of the Muslim minority in Myanmar.
I feel a bit disappointed with her regarding this, but I'm not sure exactly what the truth is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39507350

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Post by tingdzin » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:10 pm

Yes, it's hard to know what's going on, other than that some Rohingya are being treated very badly. It's probably not realistic to be too disappointed in Ms. Suu kyi, though: she is not at all in charge of the country in the same way as a Western head of state is, and the country is still far from being a unified state -- for example, the Chinese are in de facto control of the entire Kokang area in the north, and Kokang separatists (ethnic Chinese) are still actively fighting the central government. I don't know if the term "ethnic cleansing" is applicable, and I am suspicious of catch phrases that the press resorts to in place of verifiable facts (difficult, granted, since the press is refused access).

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Post by michaelb » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:08 am

It's clearly a complex situation, but after all those years under house arrest I was hoping, like the reporter says, that "the Lady" would be a bit more saintly. After the hatchet job her husband did on Padma Lingpa, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

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Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:44 am

The 'silent crisis' of Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/18/asia/ ... index.html
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Post by Lucas Oliveira » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:31 pm

'There is genocide going on there': Rohingya huddle on Bangladesh border

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/01/asia/ ... index.html
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Re: Aung San Suu Kyi denies ethnic cleansing

Post by ItsRaining » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:56 pm

tingdzin wrote:Yes, it's hard to know what's going on, other than that some Rohingya are being treated very badly. It's probably not realistic to be too disappointed in Ms. Suu kyi, though: she is not at all in charge of the country in the same way as a Western head of state is, and the country is still far from being a unified state -- for example, the Chinese are in de facto control of the entire Kokang area in the north, and Kokang separatists (ethnic Chinese) are still actively fighting the central government. I don't know if the term "ethnic cleansing" is applicable, and I am suspicious of catch phrases that the press resorts to in place of verifiable facts (difficult, granted, since the press is refused access).

Isn't 95% of the population in Kokang Chinese? It was governed mostly by the Chinese themselves for a long time so it's pretty understandable they don't want to listen completely to Myanmar.

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Post by odysseus » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:10 am

michaelb wrote: like the reporter says, that "the Lady" would be a bit more saintly.
I had enough of her too. No politician can act saintly, because a politician always has to jeapordize their integrity. She kills her beauty by Wrong Speech. A real Buddhist should not be involved in politics.
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Post by Bristollad » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:15 pm

odysseus wrote: A real Buddhist should not be involved in politics.
Why? I have a pretty low opinion of politicians generally BUT surely, practising the 6 perfections and being involved in politics are not mutally exclusive!

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Post by Grigoris » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:24 pm

michaelb wrote:It's clearly a complex situation, but after all those years under house arrest I was hoping, like the reporter says, that "the Lady" would be a bit more saintly. After the hatchet job her husband did on Padma Lingpa, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
It is not that complicated: The Burmese are engaging in the ethnic cleansing of Rohingya. It is that simple.
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Post by Dan74 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:28 pm

odysseus wrote:
michaelb wrote: like the reporter says, that "the Lady" would be a bit more saintly.
I had enough of her too. No politician can act saintly, because a politician always has to jeapordize their integrity. She kills her beauty by Wrong Speech. A real Buddhist should not be involved in politics.
No Buddhist should pass a chance to benefit others. So no, I disagree completely, odysseus. It would be selfish to refuse to serve others in a positive way, out of some kind of "I want to stay pure and above it all" sensibilities.

We certainly don't know the full picture, but unfortunately it doesn't look like Aung San Suu Kyi is benefitting others in this case.

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Post by Malcolm » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Grigoris wrote:It is not that complicated: The Burmese are engaging in the ethnic cleansing of Rohingya. It is that simple.
Yup.
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Bristollad wrote:
odysseus wrote: A real Buddhist should not be involved in politics.
Why?
Well, I got it from Dhammapada and Buddha. There could be many reasons, but the Buddha chose to be a simple monk instead of a universal ruler. As a politician, it is impossible to live the holy life. A politician is not a high status in Samsara, he/she has to go on accord with universal ethics all the time and he/she has to appease other politicians.

Simple answer, do you want to talk more about this? Even the Buddha was ridiculed by politicians because they thought he could not understand them.
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Post by tiagolps » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:18 pm

odysseus wrote:As a politician, it is impossible to live the holy life.
odysseus wrote:A politician is not a high status in Samsara
Your kidding right? HH The Dalai Lama was a politician before retiring his power.
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Post by odysseus » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:22 pm

tiagolps wrote:
odysseus wrote:As a politician, it is impossible to live the holy life.
odysseus wrote:A politician is not a high status in Samsara
Your kidding right? HH The Dalai Lama was a politician before retiring his power.
The Dalai Lama is something different. He is a monk and not a politician in the classic sense.
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Post by tiagolps » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:24 pm

odysseus wrote:
tiagolps wrote:
odysseus wrote:As a politician, it is impossible to live the holy life.
odysseus wrote:A politician is not a high status in Samsara
Your kidding right? HH The Dalai Lama was a politician before retiring his power.
The Dalai Lama is something different. He is a monk and not a politician in the classic sense.
He is now, before he was both.
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Post by odysseus » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:40 pm

tiagolps wrote: He is now, before he was both.
His position of head of state is not like a modern politician.
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Post by tiagolps » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:42 pm

odysseus wrote:
tiagolps wrote: He is now, before he was both.
His position of head of state is not like a modern politician.
He had even more responsibilities.
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Post by odysseus » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:55 pm

tiagolps wrote:
odysseus wrote: His position of head of state is not like a modern politician.
He had even more responsibilities.
His responibilities came as a monk. With the importance of making the people happy, not to gather votes. Tibet was very different from a democracy than what we think. It survived until the Chinese came there, and the Dalai Lama's political position was not like we are used to in the West.
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Post by tiagolps » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:02 pm

odysseus wrote:
tiagolps wrote:
odysseus wrote: His position of head of state is not like a modern politician.
He had even more responsibilities.
His responibilities came as a monk. With the importance of making the people happy, not to gather votes. Tibet was very different from a democracy than what we think. It survived until the Chinese came there, and the Dalai Lama's political position was not like we are used to in the West.
Every authentic democracy has the goal of making the people happy.
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Post by odysseus » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:10 pm

tiagolps wrote: Every authentic democracy has the goal of making the people happy.
Tell me where you can find it and I will go there and join you and we will be happy.
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