Insulting a religion

[Sherab]

Islam is not officially a state religion in Indonesia, unlike Malaysia.

And yet ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/ ... 10975.html

When might is right, what is left?

[Grigoris]

Islam is not officially a state religion in Indonesia, unlike Malaysia.

And yet ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/ ... 10975.html

When might is right, what is left?

You know how many western tourists have been arrested in Thailand for sacrilege?

[Coëmgenu]

There is a country in SE Asia, I had formerly thought it was Indonesia, but if Indonesia has a nominally secular government than perhaps I was mistaken.

But essentially they have outlawed polytheism. Consequently practitioners of traditional Chinese spirituality have to reinvent themselves as "Confucians" who worship the Lord of Heaven and Buddhist have to reinvent themselves, at least outwardly, as a monotheistic religion worshipping a version of Mahāvairocana.

How accurate is that at all? It's essentially a dropped bag potential misconceptions.

[Queequeg]

There is a country in SE Asia, I had formerly thought it was Indonesia, but if Indonesia has a nominally secular government than perhaps I was mistaken.

But essentially they have outlawed polytheism. Consequently practitioners of traditional Chinese spirituality have to reinvent themselves as "Confucians" who worship the Lord of Heaven and Buddhist have to reinvent themselves, at least outwardly, as a monotheistic religion worshipping a version of Mahāvairocana.

How accurate is that at all? It's essentially a dropped bag potential misconceptions.

Sounds like Indonesia. When I was in Bali it was explained to me that the Balinese who are Hindu get by because they choose one of their trinity (Brahma) as the supreme god.

[kirtu]

Islam is not officially a state religion in Indonesia, unlike Malaysia.

And yet ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/ ... 10975.html

Well the facts are that Indonesia has been experiencing an assertive upswing in Islamic hegemony. It is really only nominally a pluralistic state religiously (and is not a secular state). Some islands like Bali are said to be more pluralistic than others.

Kirt

[Aryjna]

The court in the city of Medan said her comments, made in 2016, triggered riots that saw Muslims attack Buddhist temples, AFP news agency reported.

Sounds like there are a lot of people with a lot of free time in their hands in Indonesia.

[Wayfarer]

Let's not forget what happened to Governor Ahok.

[Sherab]

Islam is not officially a state religion in Indonesia, unlike Malaysia.

And yet ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/ ... 10975.html

When might is right, what is left?

You know how many western tourists have been arrested in Thailand for sacrilege?

I don't know your position on blasphemy law, but I am against it.

[Wayfarer]

Usually in Thailand, foreigners get into trouble for insulting the monarchy, not Buddhism. Respect for the sovereign is covered by a law called 'lese majeste' and it is very strictly observed in Thailand.

[kirtu]

Usually in Thailand, foreigners get into trouble for insulting the monarchy, not Buddhism. Respect for the sovereign is covered by a law called 'lese majeste' and it is very strictly observed in Thailand.

Well, unless they have a tattoo of the Buddha or an image of the Buddha on their clothes.

Kirt

[Wayfarer]

What kind of penalty does that attract? Do people go to jail for it?

[bokki]

well, id only insult my own religion, if it can be called a religion...
but see here, no, not me, wikipedia
see 4 ursewlf, maybe u know already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_p ... udi_Arabia

[Coëmgenu]

What kind of penalty does that attract? Do people go to jail for it?

Yes, all the time. The Thai King traditionally spends a portion of his summer exonerating tourists for climbing on Buddha statues for pictures or in some way or some manner of committing lèse majesté. Apparently he thinks the laws are slightly silly.

[Grigoris]

What kind of penalty does that attract? Do people go to jail for it?

Yes, all the time. The Thai King traditionally spends a portion of his summer exonerating tourists for climbing on Buddha statues for pictures or in some way or some manner of committing lèse majesté. Apparently he thinks the laws are slightly silly.

The new king or the old king?

[Coëmgenu]

What kind of penalty does that attract? Do people go to jail for it?

Yes, all the time. The Thai King traditionally spends a portion of his summer exonerating tourists for climbing on Buddha statues for pictures or in some way or some manner of committing lèse majesté. Apparently he thinks the laws are slightly silly.

The new king or the old king?

The one people lynched other people over for not crying hard enough!

[Grigoris]

This one:

[Coëmgenu]

This one:

I really thought he would be a better saxophonist.

[Coëmgenu]

I guess no one tells Queen Elizabeth that she's bad at cutting ribbons. No one tells/told King Bhumibol he should work on his intonation.

[PeterC]

Indonesia gets terrible PR. Yes there are parts of the country that are quite fundamentalist, like Medan, and if you go there then you need to avoid doing stuff like this. But it's an extremely diverse country and most parts of it are quite tolerant. The same behavior in other parts of the country would be absolutely fine.

Jokowi and indeed any national politician has to balance a number of divergent interests, some of which are muslim, so he has to at times tolerate somewhat excessive enforcement of laws in this regard. The rules of the game are pretty clear.

Apart from perhaps certain parts of Northern Europe, in pretty much every country in the world there are things that shouldn't be illegal but will nonetheless get you into trouble. Indonesia isn't really that much worse than most other places, and it's better than many.

[Bristollad]

I guess no one tells Queen Elizabeth that she's bad at cutting ribbons. No one tells/told King Bhumibol he should work on his intonation.

Lèse majesté is not an offense in the UK. People are free to voice their dissatisfaction with the Monarch and the Royal Family. According to Wikipedia:

United Kingdom
Section 51 of the Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 abolished the common law criminal offences of sedition and "leasing-making". The latter offence, also known as "lease /ˈliːz/ making", was considered an offence of lèse-majesté or making remarks critical of the monarch of the United Kingdom. The final prosecution for this offence had occurred in 1715