Simon E. wrote:Care to name this country which embodies all the virtues of non -prejudice ?
I think Dzoki is from the Czech Republic.
Malcolm wrote:Simon E. wrote:Care to name this country which embodies all the virtues of non -prejudice ?
I think Dzoki is from the Czech Republic.
I've heard stories of people trying to bring this into the light and being crushed for it.Alfredo wrote:I'm surprised he doesn't get more heat for all the child abuse that goes on in Tibetan monasteries. The Catholic Church has been a model of openness by comparison.
If oppression saves lives and preserves social peace, then it might prove to be a necessary evil, and hence not a violation of bodhisattva ethics if the aim is basically benevolent and in line with Buddhist morals.Karinos wrote: Oppressing others is breaking Bodhisattva vows.
You are talking about wrathful activities of Bodhisattva. It's not oppression, it's wrathful activity motivated only with compassion and wisdom. Bodhisattva who decides to pursue such activities must be ready to bear avichi hell suffering for sake of happiness of others. some buddhist tends to forget this. If there is no egoless compassion and even small trace of aggression - it's just "smart" excuses for letting your ego do what it wants.Indrajala wrote:If oppression saves lives and preserves social peace, then it might prove to be a necessary evil, and hence not a violation of bodhisattva ethics if the aim is basically benevolent and in line with Buddhist morals.Karinos wrote:Oppressing others is breaking Bodhisattva vows.
excuse me ?Indrajala wrote:... There were unforeseen consequences to feminism for example. ...
How does it matters ? These people suffer oppression. End of story.Indrajala wrote:Likewise, allowing gay marriage could lead to similar developments. We don't know what the real consequences will be when same sex couples in large numbers raise children. There is no historical precedent for this in human history.
We still have slavery.Karinos wrote:...we'd still have slavery and feudalism.
Lhug-pa has a long history of homophobia and anti-semitism on this and other forae.rory wrote:I'm a lesbian and frankly have no interest in state sanctioned patriarchal marriage, but it has helped show gay people in a sympathetic light and assuring better treatment of them internationally so I see it as very beneficial. And I do know tons of lesbians with children, so there are legal and financial issues....As for the Gay parades and weeks, I think people have been hiding so long (in the closet) that it's their way of approaching normalcy.
I also am an Ashkenazi Jew with relatives killed in the Holocaust and am revolted by Lhug-pa's anti-semitic comment. Jewish people were head and shoulders supportive of the Civil Rights movement in the US.
There is a growing acceptance in the population at large of homosexual relationships and non-traditional families. People are beginning to see that the sky does not fall if two boys kiss. Marriage equality does no-one any harm except those who get off on going around telling everyone else how they should live their lives - and I think more and more people are seeing that.jeeprs wrote:One thing that might be reflected on is how the debate has shifted from 'acts' to 'identity'.
The acts (one in particular) are subject to sanction in very many cultures. Indeed erotic relationships between men used to be referred to as 'the love that dare not speak its name'. So the name was changed to something nobody could take exception to - namely, 'gay' - and then the debate itself was shifted to: not whether this act was or is moral or acceptable, but about 'being gay', as a political/cultural identity, which was then declared 'an inalienable right' because it was genetically determined (and therefore scientifcally validated, to boot!) Thereafter, it became impolitic to criticize the act, because to do so is comparable to 'discriminating against a cultural minority'. 'Homophobe' became a homonym (i.e. word with same meaning) to 'bigot' - and anyone who dares to say anything negative is a homophobe. So in a couple of generations, it was transformed to 'the love one dares not to criticize.
Very brilliant strategy, and has worked exceptionally well. For details, read carefully the comments about a book called After the Ball.
I agree.Knotty Veneer wrote:However, I don't think we should be looking to HHDL or any other religious leader to tell us what is permissible for consenting adults to do
In many places there is growing intolerance of advocates for traditional families and conservative values.Knotty Veneer wrote: There is a growing acceptance in the population at large of homosexual relationships and non-traditional families.
A lot of people thought feminism wouldn't do any damage, but it did. I know a lot of people disagree with this, which is their right, but I feel we need to examine and evaluate the long-term consequences of our social policies and reforms. If you legalize gay marriage because its advocates claim there is a human rights infringement occurring, then it sets a legal precedent for many other fringe groups to do the same whether you want to admit this immediately or not.People are beginning to see that the sky does not fall if two boys kiss. Marriage equality does no-one any harm except those who get off on going around telling everyone else how they should live their lives - and I think more and more people are seeing that.
Oh I think you do. Or at least see homosexuality as the beginning of a slippery slope that ends in pedophilia being accepted. Either way there is a causal relationship in your mind between the two. You are equating homosexuality and pedophilia in your post.Indrajala wrote: I do not equate homosexuality to pedophilia (I have nothing against homosexuality itself)?
You should reread what I wrote.asunthatneversets wrote:Pedophilia is abuse. In the vein of rape. The prospect of pedophiles seeking equal rights is nothing like people in the LGBT community seeking equal rights. Members of the homosexual community are not harming anyone, and are not psychologically damaging children, ergo to suggest that opening the door for gay rights will be a call for pedophiles, rapists, murderers and whoever else to seek equal rights is really reaching, and absurd.
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