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Re: Aung San Suu Kyi denies ethnic cleansing

Post by joy&peace » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:11 am

I know it seems counter intuitive, but now is a good time for us to go to places like this -- that need the most help.

Its counter intuitive but too face danger boldly is the best way to dissipate it.

One can understand this very much in nature. . . If you hear something, you go and look usually.

The more people from developed countries there are in places like this -- it can be better.

It's really very interesting.

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Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by tiagolps » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:43 am

Shared by DJKR on FB:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/13 ... tolerance/
For every instance of forbearance, history also provides examples of violent intolerance legitimated by Buddhist doctrines and conducted by practitioners.
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Re: Aung San Suu Kyi denies ethnic cleansing

Post by Grigoris » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:46 pm

ARSA group denies links with al-Qaeda, ISIL and others

Rakhine-based Rohingya fighters, who emerged in October last year, say they have no ties to any 'terrorist group'.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/a ... 48024.html
The Arakan Rohingya Solidarity Army (ARSA), a small group of men fighting in Myanmar's western region of Rakhine, have rejected accusations they have links with al-Qaeda, ISIL or other armed groups; and warned foreign fighters against entering the troubled region.

In a statement released on Thursday, ARSA said it had "no links with al-Qaeda, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), Lashkar-e-Taiba or any other transnational terrorist group".

In its statement, ARSA used ISIS to refer to the armed group ISIL.

It said it did not welcome the involvement of any of those entities in the conflict and called on countries in the region "to prevent terrorists from entering Arakan and making a bad situation worse".
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by tiagolps » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:16 pm

I'll have to read all of this later...
https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south- ... er-myanmar
"In Myanmar’s new, more democratic era, the debate over the proper place of Buddhism, and the role of political leadership in protecting it, is being recast. Given the deep, mutually legitimising historical relationship between the state and the clergy, this debate, which is unlikely to end soon, cannot be seen only in terms of politics and nationalism, divorced from moral and spiritual issues. The government should take control of the narrative by reframing, on its terms, the place of Buddhism in a more democratic context and setting out its own positive vision."
Btw the 1st post link I consider grade A BS, just to be clear. :tongue: This one's more serious
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Re: Aung San Suu Kyi denies ethnic cleansing

Post by joy&peace » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:02 pm

Such is the case with these things. Language is a area where words have certain impact . . certain words are loaded - and this is one of them. Having a trigger word associated with a person is how those things happen. . . in debate it's called 'framing.' That is -- how you frame an issue -- if you have labelled your enemy -- and get others to call the same. . . You already won the language side of things.

It happens almost always -- like a quality of conflict almost. If there's grass, there's green, type of thing.
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by joy&peace » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:06 pm

Tolerance is not the right word.
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by joy&peace » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Tolerate already implies something negative. One tolerates a bee sting.

Or one tolerates unpleasantly hot weather.

Some things one should not tolerate --

Etc. etc. Clearly tolerate is not a correct word.
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by Queequeg » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:15 pm

tiagolps wrote:Shared by DJKR on FB:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/13 ... tolerance/
For every instance of forbearance, history also provides examples of violent intolerance legitimated by Buddhist doctrines and conducted by practitioners.
Its in Counterpunch. That says it all. The reactionary left, bosom buddies with the reactionary right.

Not to excuse or diminish the examples of Buddhist violence. Its wrong and outrageous, bringing ill repute to the Buddha and the four classes of believers.
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Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by Queequeg » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:20 pm

“What they [the Myanmar government] are doing is completely opposite to Buddhism,” said Ashim Ranjan Barua, president of the Bangladesh Buddhist Federation, who participated in the human chain. “The cruelty of the Myanmar government [has] made Buddhists living in Bangladesh ashamed.”
I hope that this violence does not escalate and cross borders.
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by Wayfarer » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:34 pm

I can't help but see the dreadful situation in Myanmar/Bangladesh as being a consequence of overpopulation, resource depletion and lack of economic development and opportunity. It is a conflict over allocation of resources and scarcity of habitable space between competing ethnic groups. Buddhism figures in it, insofar as it is central to the culture of the dominant ethnic group; had history been different, it could just as easily be a beleaguered Buddhist minority against a hostile Muslim establishment. I certainly don't think there's anything intrinsic to Buddhism which gives rise to these atrocities, it is more that those carrying them out happen to be Buddhist. But it is regrettable that Buddhism is insufficient to engender restraint or compassion for strangers amongst the ethnic Burmese; maybe it is not a powerful enough medicine against the economic and ethnic conflicts being generated in the circumstances. And also it should be recalled, Burma/Myanmar has no history of democratic governance or pluralism to draw on.
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by tiagolps » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:38 pm

Wayfarer wrote:I can't help but see the dreadful situation in Myanmar/Bangladesh as being a consequence of overpopulation, resource depletion and lack of economic development and opportunity. It is a conflict over allocation of resources and scarcity of habitable space between competing ethnic groups. Buddhism figures in it, insofar as it is central to the culture of the dominant ethnic group; had history been different, it could just as easily be a beleaguered Buddhist minority against a hostile Muslim establishment. I certainly don't think there's anything intrinsic to Buddhism which gives rise to these atrocities, it is more that those carrying them out happen to be Buddhist. But it is regrettable that Buddhism is insufficient to engender restraint or compassion for strangers amongst the ethnic Burmese; maybe it is not a powerful enough medicine against the economic and ethnic conflicts being generated in the circumstances. And also it should be recalled, Burma/Myanmar has no history of democratic governance or pluralism to draw on.
My second link explains it pretty well.

https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south- ... er-myanmar
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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by Grigoris » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:42 pm

Queequeg wrote:
“What they [the Myanmar government] are doing is completely opposite to Buddhism,” said Ashim Ranjan Barua, president of the Bangladesh Buddhist Federation, who participated in the human chain. “The cruelty of the Myanmar government [has] made Buddhists living in Bangladesh ashamed.”
I hope that this violence does not escalate and cross borders.
'bout bloody time!
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Re: Rohingya and the Myth of Buddhist Tolerance

Post by Wayfarer » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:46 pm

Yes it is a very detailed report, thank you for it, I will take time to read it.
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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by odysseus » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:00 pm

Glad that real Buddhists stand up against this atrocity.
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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by tiagolps » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:00 am

Queequeg wrote:
“What they [the Myanmar government] are doing is completely opposite to Buddhism,” said Ashim Ranjan Barua, president of the Bangladesh Buddhist Federation, who participated in the human chain. “The cruelty of the Myanmar government [has] made Buddhists living in Bangladesh ashamed.”
I hope that this violence does not escalate and cross borders.
Way beyond borders...
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... bz1UqBUnqA
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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by Queequeg » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:44 am

tiagolps wrote:
Queequeg wrote:
“What they [the Myanmar government] are doing is completely opposite to Buddhism,” said Ashim Ranjan Barua, president of the Bangladesh Buddhist Federation, who participated in the human chain. “The cruelty of the Myanmar government [has] made Buddhists living in Bangladesh ashamed.”
I hope that this violence does not escalate and cross borders.
Way beyond borders...
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... bz1UqBUnqA
How is that related to what's going on in Myanmar?
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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by joy&peace » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:25 am

It isn't. At all.

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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by crazy-man » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:02 am

Bangladesh Islamists Want ‘War’ With Myanmar
http://newsweekpakistan.com/bangladesh- ... h-myanmar/

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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

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Re: Bangladeshi Buddhists condemn Myanmar persecution of Rohingya

Post by joy&peace » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:46 pm

Yes. . .
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