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Re: deadliest mass shooting in the U.S.

Post by TharpaChodron » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:39 am

Lindama wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 am
let's see it for what it is.... there is no public debate tho it may seem so. It comes down to the $$ bribes for our politicians.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
That's what every pro-gun person argues...guns don't kill people, people kill people etc. Hence we shouldn't regulate or ban guns.

Full disclosure, I myself am a law abiding gun owner (Ruger). and I recall being told Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche pulled a pistol out when a bear threatened some of his students. It's part of the Tibetan culture where Rinpoche was from.

Side note, just saw Winchester last night. Good timing for that movie.

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Post by Lindama » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:57 am

TharpaChodron wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:39 am
Lindama wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 am
let's see it for what it is.... there is no public debate tho it may seem so. It comes down to the $$ bribes for our politicians.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
That's what every pro-gun person argues...guns don't kill people, people kill people etc. Hence we shouldn't regulate or ban guns.

Full disclosure, I myself am a law abiding gun owner (Ruger). and I recall being told Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche pulled a pistol out when a bear threatened some of his students. It's part of the Tibetan culture where Rinpoche was from.

Side note, just saw Winchester last night. Good timing for that movie.
sorry, I have no argument. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem... the bribery of politicians by the NRA is just exactly why gun control is not going anywhere. I did not say any of the things that you responded with that you apparently think that I said .... pls don't put words in my mouth.

you remind me... I'd forgotten many years.... the Dalai Lama had a great interest in guns.
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Post by Lindama » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:20 am

The real violence of a system based on inequality is buried....

it ain't easy

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Re: deadliest mass shooting in the U.S.

Post by TharpaChodron » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:58 am

Lindama wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:57 am
TharpaChodron wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:39 am
Lindama wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 am
let's see it for what it is.... there is no public debate tho it may seem so. It comes down to the $$ bribes for our politicians.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
That's what every pro-gun person argues...guns don't kill people, people kill people etc. Hence we shouldn't regulate or ban guns.

Full disclosure, I myself am a law abiding gun owner (Ruger). and I recall being told Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche pulled a pistol out when a bear threatened some of his students. It's part of the Tibetan culture where Rinpoche was from.

Side note, just saw Winchester last night. Good timing for that movie.
sorry, I have no argument. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem... the bribery of politicians by the NRA is just exactly why gun control is not going anywhere. I did not say any of the things that you responded with that you apparently think that I said .... pls don't put words in my mouth.

you remind me... I'd forgotten many years.... the Dalai Lama had a great interest in guns.
My apologies Lindama if I seemed to put words in your mouth. I was just stating the common arguments of some people who don't think we should have any reasonable gun control.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:05 am

Lindama wrote:
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The real violence of a system based on inequality is buried....

it ain't easy

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Post by Fa Dao » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 pm

As I said earlier we as a nation need to make a conscious effort to change the narrative from one of the hero shooting his way out of overwhelming odds to one of the hero against all odds showing an unflinching reverence for all life. If at all possible this changing of the narrative needs to be done in such a way that is not viewed as being confrontational. I really don't believe that creating even more laws is going to change much of anything until the dominant narrative is changed. Unfortunately this will take at least a couple of generations of diligent effort....sadly I don't think there is any "quickfix" for this problem. Take for example Chicago..they have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the entire country, yet they in a weekend have had more gun deaths than the rest of the country combined...
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Post by Malcolm » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:00 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 pm
As I said earlier we as a nation need to make a conscious effort to change the narrative from one of the hero shooting his way out of overwhelming odds to one of the hero against all odds showing an unflinching reverence for all life. If at all possible this changing of the narrative needs to be done in such a way that is not viewed as being confrontational. I really don't believe that creating even more laws is going to change much of anything until the dominant narrative is changed. Unfortunately this will take at least a couple of generations of diligent effort....sadly I don't think there is any "quickfix" for this problem. Take for example Chicago..they have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the entire country, yet they in a weekend have had more gun deaths than the rest of the country combined...
Nah, we just need to get rid of assault rifles (for civilian use) in general. They have no value other than as weapons for hunting humans, for which they were specifically designed. We should also limit semi-automatic pistols as well for people who cannot demonstrate a legitimate need for them. We need to force gun owners to carry liability insurance on each weapon they own. And we need to have a national gun tracking database.
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Post by Grigoris » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:50 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:00 pm
Fa Dao wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 pm
As I said earlier we as a nation need to make a conscious effort to change the narrative from one of the hero shooting his way out of overwhelming odds to one of the hero against all odds showing an unflinching reverence for all life. If at all possible this changing of the narrative needs to be done in such a way that is not viewed as being confrontational. I really don't believe that creating even more laws is going to change much of anything until the dominant narrative is changed. Unfortunately this will take at least a couple of generations of diligent effort....sadly I don't think there is any "quickfix" for this problem. Take for example Chicago..they have some of the most stringent gun control laws in the entire country, yet they in a weekend have had more gun deaths than the rest of the country combined...
Nah, we just need to get rid of assault rifles (for civilian use) in general. They have no value other than as weapons for hunting humans, for which they were specifically designed. We should also limit semi-automatic pistols as well for people who cannot demonstrate a legitimate need for them. We need to force gun owners to carry liability insurance on each weapon they own. And we need to have a national gun tracking database.
I believe that both are necessary. There is really no reason at all for civilians to be carrying concealed weapons.
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Post by Malcolm » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:50 pm
There is really no reason at all for civilians to be carrying concealed weapons.
There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
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The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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Post by Grigoris » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:50 pm
There is really no reason at all for civilians to be carrying concealed weapons.
There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
I meant that they should not be carrying pistols at all. I wonder how people packing pistols would react if they saw you wandering around with a dildo stuck in your belt. I wonder if that would cause more outrage than walking around with a pistol stuck in your belt? It would be telling...
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Post by Malcolm » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:18 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:50 pm
There is really no reason at all for civilians to be carrying concealed weapons.
There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
I meant that they should not be carrying pistols at all. I wonder how people packing pistols would react if they saw you wandering around with a dildo stuck in your belt. I wonder if that would cause more outrage than walking around with a pistol stuck in your belt? It would be telling...
Most def, it could get you arrested in some places.
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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Post by Jeff H » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:30 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:18 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm


There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
I meant that they should not be carrying pistols at all. I wonder how people packing pistols would react if they saw you wandering around with a dildo stuck in your belt. I wonder if that would cause more outrage than walking around with a pistol stuck in your belt? It would be telling...
Most def, it could get you arrested in some places.
Like in Florida where, as Norwegian pointed out, porn is a health risk and guns are not.
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Post by DGA » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:16 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:18 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm


There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
I meant that they should not be carrying pistols at all. I wonder how people packing pistols would react if they saw you wandering around with a dildo stuck in your belt. I wonder if that would cause more outrage than walking around with a pistol stuck in your belt? It would be telling...
Most def, it could get you arrested in some places.
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Post by Mantrik » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:50 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:02 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:50 pm
There is really no reason at all for civilians to be carrying concealed weapons.
There is little need for them to carry them openly either. However, frankly I would rather that people carry their pistols concealed. I really don't want to see their penis extensions.
I meant that they should not be carrying pistols at all. I wonder how people packing pistols would react if they saw you wandering around with a dildo stuck in your belt. I wonder if that would cause more outrage than walking around with a pistol stuck in your belt? It would be telling...
Depends if you could persuade the cops that it was a religious object. Dildo Khyentse ?

Not as hard as some may imagine to get hold of firearms in the EU. I was offered a pistol in Brussels complete with case 'guaranteed' to get through airport security in checked-in baggage to the UK. The 'need' to carry weapons seems often simply to be a matter of 'protection' even with black gang members in the UK.
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Post by Grigoris » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:40 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:50 pm
Depends if you could persuade the cops that it was a religious object. Dildo Khyentse ?
Tell them you are going to a Maheshvara empowerment. LOTR had a large wooden cock, which belonged to Dudjom Rinpoche, it was handed to me to give blessings with during an empowerment.
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Post by pueraeternus » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:23 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:40 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:50 pm
Depends if you could persuade the cops that it was a religious object. Dildo Khyentse ?
Tell them you are going to a Maheshvara empowerment. LOTR had a large wooden cock, which belonged to Dudjom Rinpoche, it was handed to me to give blessings with during an empowerment.
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Post by Norwegian » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:36 am

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Donald Trump Jr. “liked” a pair of tweets attacking a teen survivor of the mass school shooting in Florida that left 17 people dead — including one that suggests the boy was a fabrication of the “mainstream media.”
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Post by Norwegian » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:38 am

pueraeternus wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:23 pm
Like this one?
Greg is talking about the other kind of cock, the penis kind.

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Post by shaunc » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:48 am

Greg is right. The only advantage of a handgun is that it's easy to conceal. A hunter or sporting shooter doesn't need semi-automatic firearms. I'd also suggest limiting magazine capacity to 5 or 6 shots which is still probably more than a hunter would ever need.

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Post by TharpaChodron » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:44 am

Disclosure: I was encouraged to get a gun for self protection when I was living in a really high crime area in South Central LA. I have some crazy stories, but I learned that if you aren't involving yourself with gangs and drugs, you really don't have anything to fear.

As it turned out, I never had reason to use a gun to defend myself, ever. I realized the nature of crime and gun violence was that most innocent people don't need one for protection.

This is my guilty confession post. :?

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