Alll kinds of things can "happen anywhere", this does not imply they are happening everywhere, and knowing the difference is quite important, especially when talking about advocating for policies. As I cannot demonstrate an uncertainty, you also cannot demonstrate that this is "happening everywhere", because it is not. It is quite similar to how people react to terrorism. It's undertsdandable, but it doesn't reflect reality.Mantrik wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:32 pmTwice, at least, you use 'demonstrably' in expressing a view on this thread. You cannot demonstrate an uncertainty, but you seem to be saying your guess is better because you live there, whereas I rely on media reports.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:41 pm
Blind? I actually live here and grew up here, in various parts of the country, and know well what it is like to live in different areas, i've even spent time in "Trump county" type places and places saturated with guns - and seen the attendant problems. You do not, and are relying on media reports to form your view of the reality of day to day life in the US. Ironically, your viewpoint appears to be just as fear-driven as Trump's, you cannot let go of the idea that people are unsafe everywhere here due to mass shootings, which is demonstrably the opposite of reality - even with the spike in these events.
Well, let's unpick that. You rely on media reports also, for all the incidents you did not witness, so let's put that to bed.
Then we have your experience around gun culture. My friend, I am old; I have been bombed several times, shot at etc. in different countries. I understand gun culture, terrororism and have worked with crazed violent teens in schools, as well as trained with UK special forces very briefly. One thing I can say with certainty is that you can be so close to the problem that you cannot contextualise well.
I can't really add much, except that my own view is far from fear driven. However, I am agreeing with those kids in US schools who are fear driven, and who I believe have good reason to fear that whilst the US allows unstable kids to have access to guns, nowhere in the USA is safe from a mass school or mall shooting. Nowhere. The US citizens need to get angry enough at scraping teenage flesh off school walls to actually do something effective, or it will grow.......and then we will have 'demonstrable' evidence.........and I truly hope you all act now in your millions to stop it.
The US has a lot of problems, the fact that this happening is as much as symptom of those as it is a cause that can be approached in isolation as you are doing. Your general preachiness about it, and your claims of what the future hold are your own projections, and while you have your own experiences, I don't think you know much about what it is like to live here, nor what the lived experiences of these sorts of problems is like.
I don't have much else to say, because I think you are here to pontificate, and not much else.