Malcolm wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:44 pm
If we are to listen to you, the 65 nation coalition should just go home and let everyone in the middle east murder each other with abandon.
I don't know if you have noticed but they are murdering each other with abandon in spite of the coalition and, in almost 100% of the cases, with the financial and material support of members of the 65 nation coalition.
But it is not reasonable to pretend it is someone else problem.
Nobody is pretending that.
But Daesh is a special case...
But that is where you are wrong. If I tell you some of the stories I hear from people escaping from the (extraordinarily common) indigenous death cults in Central Africa you would quickly come to realise that the brutality of ISIS is actually a common trait in any war zone and impoverished region.
You don't have to look to such exotic locations either.
Some of the shit that went down in the former Yugoslavia is blood curdling too. And I am sure that we are not getting the full picture of what is happening in the Ukraine either.
(I'll let Mantrik tell about the IRA and Ulster Unionists).
One time a former Afghani state army member showed me a video of young Taliban fighters playing soccer with the decapitated heads of their "enemies".
Even some of the reports I have heard from Israeli friends of mine (they were state military conscripts during the first Intifada) actions that they were personally involved in, would have you question human capacity for inhumanity. Not to mention some of the stories I have heard from Palestinian friends of mine on the other side of the conflict.
No, ISIS are not abnormal. This is, unfortunately, VERY normal behaviour for humans to engage in, when they are in the midst of the dehumanising chaos of war and abject poverty.
I recommend you read Franz Fanon's
works. He was a psychiatrist working with torturers and torture victims from Farance's colonial wars. He then, strangely enough, turned revolutionary. His book "Wretched of the Earth" explains how oppressed people are justified in emulating the techniques (and worse) of their colonial oppressors in their struggle to liberate themselves from them. Maybe then you will start to understand the mindset of groups like ISIS.