Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

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Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Kim O'Hara » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Yetis are real, they just also happen to be Himalayan brown bears

It would be easy to dismiss the myth of the yeti as just that: a myth. There's no conclusive evidence that a giant, ape-like creature lives in the Himalayas (or anywhere else, for that matter). But the beauty of science is that we don't just have to roll our eyes. We can test the hypothesis.
And yetis, as it turns out, are real. That is, if you're willing to accept "yeti" as the nickname of a reclusive (but not at all undiscovered) population of bears high in the Himalaya mountains. We probably know less about these very real bears than we “know” about the yeti, which is why biologist Charlotte Lindqvist was so interested when the Icon Film company reached out to her with a proposition.

Lindqvist had researched an ancient polar bear that, according to a 2014 study, was the real culprit behind yeti lore. Icon Film wanted to know if she thought that was plausible, given criticism the study drew. Was the yeti really this an extinct beast, or was it instead a hybrid between polar and brown bears? Or was it possibly a local type of bear with few studies to its name? And by the way, would she like to get access to rare samples from those local bears?

Why yes, yes she would. As an expert in bear evolution, the University at Buffalo's Lindqvist wasn't so much captured by the idea of a yeti as she was by the thought of getting her hands on Himalayan bear hair samples. These creatures live high up in snowy mountains, and they generally don't want to be found. They've hardly been studied ...
:reading: http://www.popsci.com.au/science/nature ... ars,478932

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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

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Post by Dan74 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:50 pm

I recall our resident Yeti expert, Malcolm, saying a very similar thing quite some time ago, no?
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Post by Norwegian » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:52 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:50 pm
I recall our resident Yeti expert, Malcolm, saying a very similar thing quite some time ago, no?
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Post by krodha » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:52 am

Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche once said for a short time in his childhood he befriended and took care of an adolescent yeti.

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Post by Virgo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:34 am

krodha wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:52 am
Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche once said for a short time in his childhood he befriended and took care of an adolescent yeti.
LOL, Rinpoche would find a yeti.

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Post by Sonam Wangchug » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:54 am

There is a story in a book put together by Lama surya das ( Just collections of stories various rinpoche's had told him) It was about a Ngakpa who went to Pema Kod, he saw a Yeti there, and although initially startled, realized that it had something stuck in its foot. Long story short, he ended up removing what was stuck and bandaging his foot up.

Some time later the Yeti came by carrying a leopard which it had just killed and threw it in front of the Ngakpa as a form of thanks, I want to say this was around the late 1800's to early 1900's, the Lama ended up bringing the leopard skin and offering it to a Gompa in Tibet ( I believe it was Kathok)

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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Kim O'Hara » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:06 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:52 pm
Dan74 wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:50 pm
I recall our resident Yeti expert, Malcolm, saying a very similar thing quite some time ago, no?
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15413&start=20#p259018
Indeed - and well found.
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If I even read that at the time, I had forgotten it.

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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Sādhaka » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:29 am

Well what kind of stories are there about Yetis from respected Tibetan masters?

And if there are such stories, do their descriptions of Yetis correspond to bears or no?

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Sādhaka wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:29 am
Well what kind of stories are there about Yetis from respected Tibetan masters?

And if there are such stories, do their descriptions of Yetis correspond to bears or no?
In the book The Lawudo Lama, Lama Zopa Rinpoche says that yetis took people's livestock (especially goats), they would try and get into the caves of yogis, and he was told that they eat small children (I imagine this was to scare children into behaving but I could also imagine a hungry bear doing this).

These stories seem to correspond with the behaviour of bears imo.
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Post by Lindama » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:23 am

Great thread!

ofc, Yetis are real.... I'm practicing frolicking bear in my qi gong class! ... especially for winter cold and hibernaton....
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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Malcolm » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:17 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:50 pm
I recall our resident Yeti expert, Malcolm, saying a very similar thing quite some time ago, no?
Yes, Yeti is a Tibetan name for a kind of bear.
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Post by Nicholas Weeks » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm

This non-bear creature is also called a 'mountain man' and does exist in the Himalayan regions.
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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Malcolm » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:08 pm

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm
This non-bear creature is also called a 'mountain man' and does exist in the Himalayan regions.
These are mi rgod, literally wild men. My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, found himself trapped in a cave by them for a couple of days. He saw an artists depiction of Homo floresiensis and identified that immediately as the creatures he encountered in the remote jungles of the southern Himalayas.

But Yetis are definitely bears and only bears.
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Post by Ricky » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:08 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm
This non-bear creature is also called a 'mountain man' and does exist in the Himalayan regions.
These are mi rgod, literally wild men. My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, found himself trapped in a cave by them for a couple of days. He saw an artists depiction of Homo floresiensis and identified that immediately as the creatures he encountered in the remote jungles of the southern Himalayas.
How was he able to deal with them?

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Re: Yetis are real, but are Himalayan brown bears

Post by Malcolm » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Ricky wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:37 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:08 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm
This non-bear creature is also called a 'mountain man' and does exist in the Himalayan regions.
These are mi rgod, literally wild men. My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, found himself trapped in a cave by them for a couple of days. He saw an artists depiction of Homo floresiensis and identified that immediately as the creatures he encountered in the remote jungles of the southern Himalayas.
How was he able to deal with them?
He just waited them out.
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The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Post by Ricky » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:46 pm

Damn I would of freaked out.

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Post by Nicholas Weeks » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:33 pm

Another example concerns a Hindu hiking party. One of the members became quite ill and had to take to his tent. One night he heard a low whining like a dog outside & suddenly thru the tent flap stepped a huge, hairy, mountain man that looked like a gorilla. Or it may have been a mountain woman; with cream colored fur. At any rate, he froze with fear and the creature placed in his mouth a sweetish something and then dashed away. It was some medicinal sweet, because his fever began dropping and by next day he was fine.

See ch. 25 of Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master
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