Regardless of the detours in this thread, I for one appreciate the various persepctives, because I am white (technically) but have never been perceived as such, and I totally understand Greg's points about having a "white privilege" I can't actually leverage because it's not white enough, and at least in exchange (on the flip side) it put me in positions where I can appreciate the intense pain being subjected to the butt-end of karma for those conditions. I also have no issue fully assuming the responsibility of my conditions of birth in a female disempowered status, and assuming the consequences of every decision I have made since. And I realize I am not common in this. Why? Because it is darn hard to face so much external injustice when you are just a kid born in a horrible place... But we have to look beyond appearances... And I'm far more interested in a conversation around the karmic nature of these international conflicts than our personal positions (biases) due to our own personal karmas...
I also agree with Malcolm completely because it does not have to be a sentence, and it has not been a sentence. I am living proof (yes, I know anecdotal and unreliable) because quite simply, I refused to make it such. I was educated in Europe, India, and in the US, and live in Central America... and the various persepctives all account for a grim world picture where corruption reigns in every government, for the very ripening karma that is coming to be in this time/space. I believe we as a people can get our smarts together and figure out things that bring a real benefit to others in our own cultivation of positive qualities.
I would love to hear more about that. How does karma get exhausted in entire cultures? Syria used to be a beautiful land. The culture has just as much layers and wealth as any other. And delicious food. How do usurpers like Assad not get repeated? How does a whole nation apply a J-Lo styled "Enough!" Like the Indians did to the Brits and booted them out?
I really appreciate the knowledge and questions posed here because I firmly stick to our condition not being a sentence but an opportunity to cultivate understanding and further real dialogue to encourage those like Greg who work with terrible situations, refugees trauma etc ...he has a job that probably would make most want to bash down the walls... I can understand the sensitivity he feels from the viewpoint of being down in the trenches to the words spoken by people who have a more "favorable karmic position" who speak as if those who are going thru it are "just paying for their suffering"...
While that is undoubtedly true, how can that information be translated and transmitted into a useful knowledge that is effective and gives tools to people... We here are just people who work in every field and every strata of society globally... We could cut some ego and some slack, and just understand this crap is hard to deal with up close and personal. Well, I would. And not get so damn legalistic about every word typed.
I think this is why most women in this forum flee these conversations, with so much chest banging, what's wrong with wanting others to just be kinder?
There is a lot of food for thought these exchanges provide, so go it as it may, "thanks for all the fish."