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Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:33 pm
by Caoimhghín
Queequeg wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:26 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:12 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:45 pm


I think Trump has just hit his stride. No one can hear the shrill media hyperventilating over his latest outrage, and unless Mueller has a doozy in the pocket, Trumpism is probably steam rolling in 2020, and a good chance Democrats are NOT gaining enough seats to take either house of congress in 2018. Trump is going to go in with economic growth, low unemployment, major shakeups in the Middle East and East Asia. People generally vote their wallets, and I do not rule out people going to vote holding their noses and giving Trump a landslide in 2020.

Democrats are about to be humiliated, again.
Maybe this time their strategy wont revolve solely & exclusively around:

"Well, I don't trust him with the nuclear codes."

Sure, Hillary, Trump will literally blow up the world when elected.
At the risk of sounding like a crank... it was worse. It was a coalition of Whole Foods shoppers patting themselves on the back, grandmothers from the League of Women Voters who thought it was their turn to have a president, Act Up all grown up having removed the ear rings and put on corporate casual, people with relatives who might get deported, and black church ladies. And goofy older men who play guitar and tell bad jokes to their kids.
Regardless of whatever else went down, of whatever else bad decisions where made in her campaign, I still think the nuclear codes point was the single most stupid point that was made in the debate. Even dumber than Trump constantly trying to snipe the Clinton Foundation.

The entire election was such a cluster of ridiculousness, that it is nigh impossible to point out any particular "worst element" of it, but I think that that statement of Hillary's was certainly one of them, at the very least.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:34 pm
by Caoimhghín
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:33 pm
Even dumber than Trump constantly trying to snipe the Clinton Foundation.
Clinton's ain't got nothin on UNICEF.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:54 pm
by Yavana
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:12 pm
Sure, Hillary, Trump will literally blow up the world when elected.
Trump will blow up the world. Obama will enslave white people. None of these crazy things ever happens... 😔 These days it's like, "why vote?" Why didn't the Dems just cast Oprah as a candidate when Trump joined and put Michelle in the supporting role? I just don't understand these people.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:50 am
by tingdzin
I was going to comment, but I have nothing to say that Johnny Dangerously and Ayu didn't already. The former especially has it on the nose, IMO.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 pm
by Arjan Dirkse
Malcolm wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Face it Trump is a fascist, and wants to be Dear Leader for life.
He is a fascist in his own special way but for me he's also a symptom of the age...we're living in a time of profound ignorance and alienation and most people subconsciously suspect something is seriously wrong about our civilization. The Trumpians and their equivalents in other countries (look at the populist movements in European countries like Fidesz in Hungary, Cinque Stelle in Italy, the Brexit movement etc.) react by falling back on outdated ideas, populism, isolationism and nativism. It is a fear driven reaction.

We're at the cusp of catastrophic, earth shattering changes and people want to run from it. Our civilization is about to end and who knows what will arise instead of it.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:55 pm
by Virgo
tingdzin wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 4:50 am
Johnny Dangerously.
I'm calling him that from now on. :twothumbsup:

Kevin...

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:11 am
by Rick
Arjan Dirkse wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 pm
Our civilization is about to end and who knows what will arise instead of it.
My money's on:

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Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:38 am
by Arjan Dirkse
Rick wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:11 am
Arjan Dirkse wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 pm
Our civilization is about to end and who knows what will arise instead of it.
My money's on:

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I could be overly dramatic but I think we're in the perfect storm. With climate change, poisonous oceans, the ruination of the landscape due to neoliberal policies and overpopulation, the US becoming something less than a superpower and China gaining influence, crazy religious extremism, neo fascist movements all over the globe, the dumbing down of our culture, the threat of the development of military AI...there is so much trouble ahead that I don't see how we can continue with the status quo. Radical change must come, and it is probably going to suck. Fasten your seatbelts.

Trump is a tiny part of the equation.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:50 am
by Yavana
Arjan Dirkse wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:38 am
Rick wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:11 am
Arjan Dirkse wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 pm
Our civilization is about to end and who knows what will arise instead of it.
My money's on:

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I could be overly dramatic but I think we're in the perfect storm. With climate change, poisonous oceans, the ruination of the landscape due to neoliberal policies and overpopulation, the US becoming something less than a superpower and China gaining influence, crazy religious extremism, neo fascist movements all over the globe, the dumbing down of our culture, the threat of the development of military AI...there is so much trouble ahead that I don't see how we can continue with the status quo. Radical change must come, and it is probably going to suck. Fasten your seatbelts.

Trump is a tiny part of the equation.
Could be worse. :shrug:


Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:08 pm
by Virgo
Not only does trump want to dehumanize people, he wishes to lock up his political opponents.



Kevin...

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:15 am
by Ayu
I hope Trump will be stopped soon - such people often stumble upon their own feet. The sooner they fall the less people they can harm.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:06 pm
by tingdzin
Virgo wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 11:55 pm
I'm calling him that from now on. :twothumbsup:
Ooops -- but it was a funny movie.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm
by Rick
Like 99% of Americans these days, I choose my news/opinion sources to support my views: liberal, left-leaning, anti-Trump.

I've tried to include non-left-leaning news/opinion sources in my reading list ... but never really found anything/anyone that clicked with me.

Can anyone here recommend some good non-left-leaning sources (bipartisan, centrist, right-leaning) I might check out?

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:21 pm
by Malcolm
Rick wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm
Like 99% of Americans these days, I choose my news/opinion sources to support my views: liberal, left-leaning, anti-Trump.

I've tried to include non-left-leaning news/opinion sources in my reading list ... but never really found anything/anyone that clicked with me.

Can anyone here recommend some good non-left-leaning sources (bipartisan, centrist, right-leaning) I might check out?
Wall Street Journal. The opinion page might make you vomit, but otherwise, it is good journalism. The Economist as well, is quite good; European style conservatism, which puts it somewhere between conservative Democrat and moderate Republican.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:12 pm
by Queequeg
Rick wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm
Like 99% of Americans these days, I choose my news/opinion sources to support my views: liberal, left-leaning, anti-Trump.

I've tried to include non-left-leaning news/opinion sources in my reading list ... but never really found anything/anyone that clicked with me.

Can anyone here recommend some good non-left-leaning sources (bipartisan, centrist, right-leaning) I might check out?
There was this graphic that made the rounds about a year ago.
More or less it seems to get the main points across... we can quibble about details... this was compiled by some random lawyer to argue a point in a facebook debate... or something along those lines.

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Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:16 pm
by conebeckham
Malcolm wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:21 pm
Rick wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm
Like 99% of Americans these days, I choose my news/opinion sources to support my views: liberal, left-leaning, anti-Trump.

I've tried to include non-left-leaning news/opinion sources in my reading list ... but never really found anything/anyone that clicked with me.

Can anyone here recommend some good non-left-leaning sources (bipartisan, centrist, right-leaning) I might check out?
Wall Street Journal. The opinion page might make you vomit, but otherwise, it is good journalism. The Economist as well, is quite good; European style conservatism, which puts it somewhere between conservative Democrat and moderate Republican.
I second these recs. I watch Fox at the gym, in small doses, just to see what's on the radar of the deplorables. I read WSJ on occasion, as well as The Economist, as well. I even dip my toe in Breitbart once in a while, but then my blood pressure goes up and I have to disinfect my toe. I watched InfoWars once, and am still searching for a repellant.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:59 pm
by Rick
Thanks, everyone. What's the deal with these guys in terms of their leanings:

New Republic
Guardian
Foreign Policy
BBC
Al Jareeza
The Hill

?

Also, since I love to read opinions ... which editorialists/co-op writers do the best work iyo, all across the board (left to right)?

Fareed Zakaria is my favorite commentator. I love his Sunday tv show, articles, and books. He seems to have the broadest (global) most intelligent view of the opinion-sharers I've run into. And unlike way too many of the MSNBC/CNN hosts, Zakaria seems to actually LISTEN when his guests talk, and to react to what they say ... not to what he decided beforehand his agenda would be. Any other Zakaria type writers out there I should be aware of?

Thanks!

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:09 pm
by Queequeg
conebeckham wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:16 pm
I watch Fox at the gym, in small doses, just to see what's on the radar of the deplorables. I read WSJ on occasion, as well as The Economist, as well. I even dip my toe in Breitbart once in a while, but then my blood pressure goes up and I have to disinfect my toe. I watched InfoWars once, and am still searching for a repellant.
I think its actually pretty important, as someone who skews left, to be familiar with the conversations and obsessions at the yellow sources on the right. I try to understand their perspective... understanding requires a little standing in other's places, and the dimensions of those minds makes me feel dirty, sad and claustrophobic... That said, I have comparable feelings when I read things like The Nation or listen to Jill Stein. (Aside, I was considering a school for my son that is on the spectrum out toward Waldorf... there was a lot to like, but the thought of being social with the other parents for the next few years made me feel gross, and it wasn't just the stench of essential oils and the sight of wool socks in birkenstocks). The right does not have a monopoly on paranoia and malice.

Cue the Dead Kennedy's California Uber Alles.

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:15 pm
by Rick
Queequeg wrote:The right does not have a monopoly on paranoia and malice.
I'm confused. Aren't all left-leaners good/smart/peaceful and all right-leaners bad/stupid/violent? That's what my news shows keep telling me ... and how can they be wrong, they're on TV (CABLE TV!) and the INTERNET!

Re: Trump's Movement to Unilateralism

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:20 pm
by Queequeg
New Republic - Left
Guardian - More Left
Foreign Policy - Not sure
BBC - Center Left
Al Jareeza - Center - but depending on issues can skew left or right. I think this reflects the different political landscape of the Middle East. Actually, remarkably good. Its also good as a source of non-West news. On this front, NHK is a center-right source from Japan, with a Japan centric take.
The Hill - Center Left? but kind of suffers from the defects of blog news in that they seem to get ahead of the facts sometimes in reporting.

Fareed Zakaria - milquetoast. Center Left. I throw him in the basket with the rest of the Liberal Internationalists like Tom Friedman who cater to the Davos crowd. He's good at provoking my in-laws but he's not bringing anything hard hitting to the table.

There are a few Sunday morning guys I appreciate. Smerconish on CNN. Howard Kurtz on Fox. These guys report on reporting, so basically they analyze the angles of news coverage over the previous week. NPR has On the Media doing the same thing which I personally like the most for its level of intellect and analysis.