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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:40 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:27 pm
So there’s no Western world?
No there is not. Compare a Norwegian to a Greek, for example. Worlds apart.
No Christian world?
No, there is not.

Let's take the schism between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism as a starter.

Then there is now a schism between the Russian Orthodox church and the Greek Orthodox church because of the later's recognition of the Ukrainian Orthodox church.

Within the Greek Orthodox church there is a split between the patriarch in Athens and the patriarch in Istanbul/Constantinople.

Etc...

It's got nothing to do with deconstruction, it has to do with social/political reality.

There is no Muslim world. Without taking into consideration ethnic differences (can you lump together a Uighur with a Nigerian, just because both profess to be Muslim?) the Shia/Sunni split is a clear indication that there is no Muslim world.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by WeiHan » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:12 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:34 pm
WeiHan wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:49 am
Why Uighurs are not launching terrorism to China but only towards the west?
Uighyurs have launched terrorist attacks in the West??? :shrug:
I meant the Islamic extremists from the ME.

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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:45 pm

WeiHan wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:12 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:34 pm
WeiHan wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:49 am
Why Uighurs are not launching terrorism to China but only towards the west?
Uighurs have launched terrorist attacks in the West??? :shrug:
I meant the Islamic extremists from the ME.
Because China is not bombing the crap out of their countries?

Uighurs have launched attacks in China, but that shit flies under western media radars. Anyway, the Uighur issue is almost as old as the Tibetan issue, no western power gives a damn about either.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:10 am

So there’s no world?
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:11 am

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:40 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:27 pm
So there’s no Western world?
No there is not. Compare a Norwegian to a Greek, for example. Worlds apart.
No Christian world?
No, there is not.

Let's take the schism between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism as a starter.

Then there is now a schism between the Russian Orthodox church and the Greek Orthodox church because of the later's recognition of the Ukrainian Orthodox church.

Within the Greek Orthodox church there is a split between the patriarch in Athens and the patriarch in Istanbul/Constantinople.

Etc...

It's got nothing to do with deconstruction, it has to do with social/political reality.

There is no Muslim world. Without taking into consideration ethnic differences (can you lump together a Uighur with a Nigerian, just because both profess to be Muslim?) the Shia/Sunni split is a clear indication that there is no Muslim world.
So there’s no world?
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:52 am

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:11 am
So there’s no world?
Quite clerly there is not, because if there was we would not be in the shit pile that we are. There are individual concerns which sometimes coincide and sometimes conflict.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:10 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:52 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:11 am
So there’s no world?
Quite clerly there is not, because if there was we would not be in the shit pile that we are. There are individual concerns which sometimes coincide and sometimes conflict.
Here is where I can’t follow. Of course there is a world. It’s called Earth and you’re in it. In this Earth are the many people’s together with all their various cultures and traditions. And world views.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:23 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:10 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:52 am
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:11 am
So there’s no world?
Quite clerly there is not, because if there was we would not be in the shit pile that we are. There are individual concerns which sometimes coincide and sometimes conflict.
Here is where I can’t follow. Of course there is a world. It’s called Earth and you’re in it. In this Earth are the many people’s together with all their various cultures and traditions. And world views.
Here's a simple one: your family comes from Pakistan, right? How does it feel to be a Pakistani? Does every Pakistani feel the same way you do?
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:33 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:23 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:10 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:52 am
Quite clerly there is not, because if there was we would not be in the shit pile that we are. There are individual concerns which sometimes coincide and sometimes conflict.
Here is where I can’t follow. Of course there is a world. It’s called Earth and you’re in it. In this Earth are the many people’s together with all their various cultures and traditions. And world views.
Here's a simple one: your family comes from Pakistan, right? How does it feel to be a Pakistani? Does every Pakistani feel the same way you do?
Not Pakistan. Punjab. Punjabis have various political attitudes. There is a distinct Punjabiness that all Punjabis relate to: Bhangra being one.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:06 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:33 pm
Not Pakistan. Punjab. Punjabis have various political attitudes. There is a distinct Punjabiness that all Punjabis relate to: Bhangra being one.
Pakistani Punjab or Indian Punjab?

Are all Punjabi into Bhangra? If a Punjabi is not into Bhangra, does that mean they are not a Punjabi?
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:13 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:06 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:33 pm
Not Pakistan. Punjab. Punjabis have various political attitudes. There is a distinct Punjabiness that all Punjabis relate to: Bhangra being one.
Pakistani Punjab or Indian Punjab?

Are all Punjabi into Bhangra? If a Punjabi is not into Bhangra, does that mean they are not a Punjabi?
Indian Punjab. The moment that state was declared Indian Army drove my dad’s fam into the Indian side. The better question is if you like Bhangra, which you will, whether that makes you Punjabi. It might.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:20 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:13 pm
Indian Punjab. The moment that state was declared Indian Army drove my dad’s fam into the Indian side.
So your dad's family are from Pakistan, like my mum's family are from Turkey.

Does that make your father Pakistani?

So what are the defining characteristics for each category if birthplace is not one of them and partaking (or not) in certain cultural activities is also not a defining feature?
The better question is if you like Bhangra, which you will, whether that makes you Punjabi. It might.
If I start to rock out on Bhangra that will make me a Punjabi?

Feel free to stop grasping at straws.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:04 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:20 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:13 pm
Indian Punjab. The moment that state was declared Indian Army drove my dad’s fam into the Indian side.
So your dad's family are from Pakistan, like my mum's family are from Turkey.

Does that make your father Pakistani?

So what are the defining characteristics for each category if birthplace is not one of them and partaking (or not) in certain cultural activities is also not a defining feature?
The better question is if you like Bhangra, which you will, whether that makes you Punjabi. It might.
If I start to rock out on Bhangra that will make me a Punjabi?

Feel free to stop grasping at straws.
It was India at that time. You might be Aryan.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:11 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:45 pm

Because China is not bombing the crap out of their countries?

Uighurs have launched attacks in China, but that shit flies under western media radars. Anyway, the Uighur issue is almost as old as the Tibetan issue, no western power gives a damn about either.
Well, no, it doesn't. As a result of Uighur unrest, the Chinese have placed a million muslims in "educational" detention.
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by tatpurusa » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 pm

Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:45 pm
I’m surprised the Jihadists aren’t taking this on.
They might if CIA, Israel and the other Al-Qaeda/ISIL/Daesh puppet masters decide so.
Welcome to the wold of geopolitics, proxy wars, hybrid wars and suffocating indoctrination with propaganda.

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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 pm

tatpurusa wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:45 pm
I’m surprised the Jihadists aren’t taking this on.
They might if CIA, Israel and the other Al-Qaeda/ISIL/Daesh puppet masters decide so.
Conspiracy theory much?
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by tatpurusa » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:30 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 pm
tatpurusa wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:45 pm
I’m surprised the Jihadists aren’t taking this on.
They might if CIA, Israel and the other Al-Qaeda/ISIL/Daesh puppet masters decide so.
Conspiracy theory much?
Haha ... theory ... :twothumbsup: :tongue:

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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Wayfarer » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:34 pm

A feature article on Chinese 're-education camps', in today's Sydney Morning Herald. (Apologies if it's geo-blocked but I don't think SMH articles usually are.)
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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by tatpurusa » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:48 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 pm
tatpurusa wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 pm
Crazywisdom wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:45 pm
I’m surprised the Jihadists aren’t taking this on.
They might if CIA, Israel and the other Al-Qaeda/ISIL/Daesh puppet masters decide so.
Conspiracy theory much?
For millions of Iraquis, Libians, Syrians, Afghanis and Yemenis it would be absolutely marvellous if it was a mere theory.

tp

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Re: Crackdown on religion in China

Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:03 pm

tatpurusa wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:48 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 pm
tatpurusa wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:01 pm


They might if CIA, Israel and the other Al-Qaeda/ISIL/Daesh puppet masters decide so.
Conspiracy theory much?
For millions of Iraquis, Libians, Syrians, Afghanis and Yemenis it would be absolutely marvellous if it was a mere theory.

tp
Blunders in foreign policy are not conspiracies. In any case, the CIA warned the Bush Admin NOT to invade Iraq. You do the math.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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