clyde wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:01 am
Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:55 pm
clyde wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:37 pm
“Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals.”
I'd suggest that your idealism has as much to do with your position of not being under the same threat as other groups as it does your own ideals. I imagine all of us would agree that preemptive violence is out of the question, and that MLK-type ideals are certainly the ones to stand up for.
That said, neither you or I are being specifically targeted (you know, like Jews were here, like they have been historically) ), and personally I find it amazing that anyone would try to lecture on the virtues of nonviolence a day after some Nazi walked in and massacred 11 people in a synagogue, specifically due to their ethnicity/religion -and- their desire to help refugees. What are you worried about exactly?
clyde wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:46 pm
Regarding the quotes by Karl Popper and John Rawls, I agree and, as has been noted, hate speech which incites violence is already illegal. That said, let’s not return hatred and violence with more hatred and violence.
Did someone advocate that here? Can you point out where?
I am a Jew. Except for family which immigrated to America pre-WWII, my father’s side of the family was lost in the Holocaust and my mother’s side of the family was lost in Stalin’s Russia. I was beat-up as a child because I am a Jew (“Christ-killer”) and have experienced a few other minor incidents.
I didn’t think my posts were “lecturing”. This is a Buddhist forum, so I thought quoting the teachings of the Buddha was appropriate and quoting Martin Luther King Jr about non-violence seemed appropriate for Americans.
And here is the Jewish teaching, “All that is written in the Torah was written for the sake of peace.”
Perhaps the intent is not lecturing, but when you are seemingly arguing against threats of violence which no one made, I wonder what you are actually objecting to.
On the Jewish bit, I would think you would understand doubly the difficulties of "practicing peace" while people are trying to kill you, at least in terms of family history, not necessarily personal experience. Obviously not all Jews think the same thing on this issue, so lets pretend they do.
As to the quotes, sure, they are great. I doubt anyone here would think otherwise. Nonetheless, we have right wingers arming themselves and walking into synagogues massacring people, are you worried about Jews, Left wingers etc. engaging in preemptive violence? if not, then what are you concerned with here? Can you answer my question this time: What did you find concerning in the thread earlier?
justsit wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:29 am
So, what, now 80 and 90+ year-olds need to concealed carry? How fast can they draw? What kind of aim do ya think they'll have?
Will Social Security pay for time at the gun range?
Jeebus. The world's going nuts.
Not sure who you are talking to but...
We could pass a bill banning AR 15's tomorrow and the communities who are under threat would still be so in the present climate, that is just reality. that's not to say the banning of AR 15s wouldn't have some kind of effect, but open, anti-semitic etc. terror has to do (quite obviously) with political circumstances beyond weaponry, even though certainly that is part of the conversation.
And no, personally I would hate to live in that world, I am just saying that it's worth taking self-defense measures seriously (which don't involve everyone being armed), not sure why that'd be controversial.