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Post by Queequeg » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:53 pm

My main takeaway from that is Bernie attracts a segment of "populist" voters who think a brick through the Establishment's window is better than voting for Clinton or some other milquetoast mainline Democrat. There are others looking for another progressive choice.

I still can't wrap my head around anyone supporting Beto O'Rourke. That has got to be the most vapid and vain campaign. My cynical guess is they are not very bright grown up alterna-chicks who like a man who can wear a dress and silly millennials.
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Post by justsit » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:06 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:53 pm
I still can't wrap my head around anyone supporting Beto O'Rourke. That has got to be the most vapid and vain campaign. My cynical guess is they are not very bright grown up alterna-chicks who like a man who can wear a dress and silly millennials.
Did I miss Beto in a dress???

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Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by justsit » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:04 am

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Not bad, but not exactly a top notch drag queen either. B-

In case other enquiring minds want to know...https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beto- ... pussycats/

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Post by Queequeg » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:25 pm

As I suggested above, there's a little middle-aged-former-punk-rock-chick heart throb thing going on with Beto.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Queequeg » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:51 pm

Sober survey of Bernie's likelihood of success.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/opin ... trump.html
Those who, even with distracted minds,
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And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Queequeg » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 pm

Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:37 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 pm
On communism and socialism:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... untry.html
It's a sad indictment of your average American's political education that he even has to respond to this tripe, seriously.

"Believing in social programs is like Stalin".....SMFH...
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Post by justsit » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:37 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 pm
On communism and socialism:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... untry.html
It's a sad indictment of your average American's political education that he even has to respond to this tripe, seriously.

"Believing in social programs is like Stalin".....SMFH...
The socialist label is what will bring Bernie down, and we all know Trump and his team will be hammering away with it.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:32 am

justsit wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 am
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:37 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 pm
On communism and socialism:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... untry.html
It's a sad indictment of your average American's political education that he even has to respond to this tripe, seriously.

"Believing in social programs is like Stalin".....SMFH...
The socialist label is what will bring Bernie down, and we all know Trump and his team will be hammering away with it.

My local natural foods coop had this sign in their bathroom for years. Original dates from the 1930's.
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You might be right, it almost might be better marketing for him to call himself an "FDR Democrat" or something, it's more accurate and less controversial, but "socialism" also plays well with millennials, so it's hard to say..his opposition would be accusing him of it either way.

Even though, he not a socialist, by any reasonable definition, but a mild social democrat. This is America where basically just believing in a public sector, having public works, public education and wanting functional civil institutions will get you called a dirty communist.
His welcoming
& rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
Knowing the dustless, sorrowless state,
he discerns rightly,
has gone, beyond becoming,
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Post by Queequeg » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:43 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:37 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:41 pm
On communism and socialism:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... untry.html
It's a sad indictment of your average American's political education that he even has to respond to this tripe, seriously.

"Believing in social programs is like Stalin".....SMFH...
I'm not convinced its the average American who thinks "socialism" is such an evil. A couple weeks ago he had a town hall, televised on Fox News, no less, in Bethlehem, PA. People who are familiar with American Industrialization will recognize that name as one of the great steel production centers that collapsed when steel production in the US collapsed. Those were all former union workers and the descendants of union workers. In 2008 and 2012, they voted for Obama. In 2016 they broke for Trump. The question is, why?

It comes back to the narrative that Trump gave voice to their concerns while Clinton didn't even bother to try and speak to rust belt voters.

These people have a memory of the effect of collective action, the power of the Federal government to help, who understand that social security and medicare are government social programs that bring relief to the old and disabled. They know that a lot of their leaders and maybe they themselves have been called communist and socialist because they were sticking up for themselves and other working people.

I don't think its an irredeemable word. Actually, this article points out, its the privileged, the kind of people who go to Harvard and went to that town hall in New Hampshire that often say "socialism" with disdain.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/04/bernie-s ... ll-harvard

There is the echo of McCarthyism, but, I don't think that is the only narrative out there.
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And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
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Post by justsit » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:08 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:32 am
...You might be right, it almost might be better marketing for him to call himself an "FDR Democrat" or something, it's more accurate and less controversial, but "socialism" also plays well with millennials, so it's hard to say..his opposition would be accusing him of it either way.

Even though, he not a socialist, by any reasonable definition, but a mild social democrat. This is America where basically just believing in a public sector, having public works, public education and wanting functional civil institutions will get you called a dirty communist.
My guess is that millennials aren't voting in large enough numbers to balance out the lack of potential votes from "Socialism"-averse MOR Republicans who are done with Trump.
Whomever the Dems run, the slate has to be attractive enough to entice disaffected Republicans. Say for sake of discussion that every state that went blue last time does so this time - solely on the basis of electoral votes, some states that went red last time will have to go blue this round or we end up with the same scenario as 2016. And that means picking up some so-called flyover states.

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Post by Queequeg » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:00 pm

Regarding the middle of the road Republican... There is the stay at home factor. Not something to bank on with Republican voters who tend to be habitual voters.

New Deal Democrat has a nice ring to it. Problem is it's not new anymore. Also probably does not resonate with the multicultural part of the party.

Branding issues, man.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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如傑優婆塞 wrote:
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Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Minobu » Sun May 05, 2019 7:06 am

I think we need a change.

a Louis Farrakhan , Al Sharpton ticket .

this could lead america far away from the whole Trump nightmare .

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Post by TharpaChodron » Mon May 06, 2019 1:10 am

Full disclosure, I'm a registered Democrat whose voted dem party my entire life. I will vote for Bernie, if given the opportunity, he's my favorite candidate. However, I think the Dems will prop up Joe Biden, who I think doesn't stand a chance against Trump.

There is an op-ed in the WSJ which I wish I could post, but I only heard about on Friday, written by James Carville and another longstanding Democrat strategist, talking tough talk about what Dems need to do to win.

My opinion and theirs, feel free to chime in and disagree: With this week's latest news that unemployment is the lowest it's been in 50 years and some other indicators of good news for the economy, Trump will have a lot to crow about. Of course Dems will be saying he's only taking credit for the work put in by Obama, but that type of excuse wont go far. Dems have lost touch with the swing voters and the middle america and southern states where about 50% of the electorate come from. This was coming from the mouths of established Democrats themselves.

The calls for impeachment are major distractions for the Dems. It's a waste of time, even Bernie says so. Yet like an old dog and his bone, they are going to lose the election harping about collusion while Trump laughs his way to another win. Anderson Cooper said Biden is planning to run on a moral superiority stance over Trump and asked if that's a good idea given the people may not care if they perceive that the US is doing better economically with him as President. Another journalist warned the Dems might be seriously overplaying their hand on this Barr/Mueller report stuff. I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a contrarian by nature. As the dems continue to cry about the sky falling, Trump gains popularity and even looks like a victim (hard as it is to believe). Democrats are their own worst enemy, acting like outraged moralists doesn't play well.

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Post by sattva » Mon May 06, 2019 2:03 am

Just a quick reply. I am a Democrat and have voted Democrat for close to 50 years. I am not a centrist, but a progressive and a member of tyt, a progressive online news show. I voted for Bernie in the last primary. So far, he is my favorite, though I also like Elizabeth Warren. I'd love to see him as president and her as vice-president. I think focusing on the issues is key. Really, most Americans agree on some of the major one that progressive Democrats support, like Medicare for All, a higher minimum wage, getting money out of politics, phasing out the fossil fuel industry, etc. I have mixed feelings on what to do about the Mueller Report.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Mon May 06, 2019 2:51 am

TharpaChodron wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 1:10 am
Full disclosure, I'm a registered Democrat whose voted dem party my entire life. I will vote for Bernie, if given the opportunity, he's my favorite candidate. However, I think the Dems will prop up Joe Biden, who I think doesn't stand a chance against Trump.

There is an op-ed in the WSJ which I wish I could post, but I only heard about on Friday, written by James Carville and another longstanding Democrat strategist, talking tough talk about what Dems need to do to win.

My opinion and theirs, feel free to chime in and disagree: With this week's latest news that unemployment is the lowest it's been in 50 years and some other indicators of good news for the economy, Trump will have a lot to crow about. Of course Dems will be saying he's only taking credit for the work put in by Obama, but that type of excuse wont go far. Dems have lost touch with the swing voters and the middle america and southern states where about 50% of the electorate come from. This was coming from the mouths of established Democrats themselves.

The calls for impeachment are major distractions for the Dems. It's a waste of time, even Bernie says so. Yet like an old dog and his bone, they are going to lose the election harping about collusion while Trump laughs his way to another win. Anderson Cooper said Biden is planning to run on a moral superiority stance over Trump and asked if that's a good idea given the people may not care if they perceive that the US is doing better economically with him as President. Another journalist warned the Dems might be seriously overplaying their hand on this Barr/Mueller report stuff. I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a contrarian by nature. As the dems continue to cry about the sky falling, Trump gains popularity and even looks like a victim (hard as it is to believe). Democrats are their own worst enemy, acting like outraged moralists doesn't play well.

Yep, agree 100%. The Democrats (I've voted Dem a lot too) have been on this downslide since the Clinton years. Now they are literally the other business party and they can't help but look like hypocrites when they open their mouths about Trump - even as bad as he is. Most of them simply don't have the moral ground, which is the whole reason they just focus on how foul Trump is, it distracts from their shitty pro-corporate party machine and policies, especially when they callously throw in some lip service for oppressed groups, without of course acknowledging that a part of oppression is in the economic structures they helped build over the last 30 years. They aren't gonna do a thing about the status quo in that department. Plenty of them are warmongers, privatization people, general profiteers off of misery and corporate malfeasance too.

It's a sad state of affairs, but i'm guessing it's another four years of Trump. It's kind of mind-boggling how far away from the "party of the people" the Dems are now, I hope the agitation from within the party changes that. I don't think the "At least we aren't racists/Russia collaborators" party line is gonna do well, you'd think they learned their lessons last time, money and power sure doesn't confer common sense, does it?

I hold out hope that some younger people in particular will help build something that can change the political culture some.
His welcoming
& rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
Knowing the dustless, sorrowless state,
he discerns rightly,
has gone, beyond becoming,
to the Further Shore.

-Lokavipatti Sutta

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