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Andrew Yang is running for President. Who?

Post by Queequeg » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm

Yeah.

Who is Andrew Yang?

He's getting a little bit of buzz for his universal income proposal and has qualified for the first Democratic debate.

He's from the non-profit sector and has been working on training young people in hard hit rust belt cities like Detroit and Cleveland, but made his money in tech.

Check him out. Gen Z apparently likes him.
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Re: Andrew Yang is running for President. Who?

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm
Yeah.

Who is Andrew Yang?

He's getting a little bit of buzz for his universal income proposal and has qualified for the first Democratic debate.

He's from the non-profit sector and has been working on training young people in hard hit rust belt cities like Detroit and Cleveland, but made his money in tech.

Check him out. Gen Z apparently likes him.
I love the idea of taxing Big Tech in order to provide people basic life needs, i'd be behind that 100%, but don't see it happening for a while.
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Post by Queequeg » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:50 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm
Yeah.

Who is Andrew Yang?

He's getting a little bit of buzz for his universal income proposal and has qualified for the first Democratic debate.

He's from the non-profit sector and has been working on training young people in hard hit rust belt cities like Detroit and Cleveland, but made his money in tech.

Check him out. Gen Z apparently likes him.
I love the idea of taxing Big Tech in order to provide people basic life needs, i'd be behind that 100%, but don't see it happening for a while.
The cretins of 4chan are apparently taking a liking to him. Richard Spencer and Tucker Carlson are taking his ideas seriously...

The universal income is branded, "The Freedom Dividend".

The alt-right love for him totally doesn't make sense since he is 100% Asian... but...

I don't know what to make of this. I am looking forward to him taking his HUAR message to the stage to see how others react.
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:07 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:50 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:44 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm
Yeah.

Who is Andrew Yang?

He's getting a little bit of buzz for his universal income proposal and has qualified for the first Democratic debate.

He's from the non-profit sector and has been working on training young people in hard hit rust belt cities like Detroit and Cleveland, but made his money in tech.

Check him out. Gen Z apparently likes him.
I love the idea of taxing Big Tech in order to provide people basic life needs, i'd be behind that 100%, but don't see it happening for a while.
The cretins of 4chan are apparently taking a liking to him. Richard Spencer and Tucker Carlson are taking his ideas seriously...

The universal income is branded, "The Freedom Dividend".

The alt-right love for him totally doesn't make sense since he is 100% Asian... but...

I don't know what to make of this. I am looking forward to him taking his HUAR message to the stage to see how others react.
Pretty bizarre all around. I'm just saying, taxing the companies who are making people poor kind of makes sense. I only glanced at his stuff though, is he otherwise a kook?

It sounds like he's just courting the libertarian demographic, with some unintended (though predictable) consequences. Frankly, it makes sense and is a place where IMO the left often flounders. Maybe because it's so easy for some very ugly people to grab onto certain messages. A lot of people who see themselves as libertarian will be aware of the threat of big tech monopolization..in terms of jobs, liberties, privacy etc...they may not agree on the way the way to handle it of course, but they get the enormity of the problem and it's urgency. The left in this country, as it's moved towards an identity-based politics has nearly ignored this stuff until fairly recently. The mainstream democratic left is actually connected to the silicon valley power structure, so again until recently there wasn't even much public outcry from those quarters. I'm glad it's changing.
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Re: Andrew Yang is running for President. Who?

Post by Queequeg » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:16 pm

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Pretty bizarre all around. I'm just saying, taxing the companies who are making people poor kind of makes sense. I only glanced at his stuff though, is he otherwise a kook?
No, not at all. He actually seems pretty normal. I joked about Beto at the playground. I could totally see him there with his kids, too.

The alt-right love for him is totally bizarre except I think his message resonates with people who feel like they've been automated out of a job.

Aside - between him and Beto, I'm digging the GenXers getting into the ring, though. Just at a certain level I can relate to them.
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Re: Andrew Yang is running for President. Who?

Post by Queequeg » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:27 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:07 pm
It sounds like he's just courting the libertarian demographic, with some unintended (though predictable) consequences. Frankly, it makes sense and is a place where IMO the left often flounders. Maybe because it's so easy for some very ugly people to grab onto certain messages. A lot of people who see themselves as libertarian will be aware of the threat of big tech monopolization..in terms of jobs, liberties, privacy etc...they may not agree on the way the way to handle it of course, but they get the enormity of the problem and it's urgency. The left in this country, as it's moved towards an identity-based politics has nearly ignored this stuff until fairly recently. The mainstream democratic left is actually connected to the silicon valley power structure, so again until recently there wasn't even much public outcry from those quarters. I'm glad it's changing.
Tech is the other big message he's pounding. It'll be interesting to see how much traction his message gets and how it resonates, how others react to it. I have a feeling its going to get loud because the one's who fear automation are also the most tech saavy... if they take to the HUAR message it could get loud.
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Post by PSM » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:29 pm

His interview with Joe Rogan was good:

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Post by Fa Dao » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:24 am

Saw that interview...awesome! He seems to be the only rational and sane candidate in the entire dem party...the rest are nut jobs, or just saying what they think people want to hear, or running on the platform of "orange guy bad"....or a combination of the three.
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Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:58 am

Woah. Just watched that interview.

That might be the smartest guy running right now.

I can see the angles where they'll go after him.

Looking forward to seeing what he does in the debates.
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Re: Andrew Yang is running for President. Who?

Post by Fa Dao » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:01 am

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Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:58 am
Woah. Just watched that interview.

That might be the smartest guy running right now.

I can see the angles where they'll go after him.

Looking forward to seeing what he does in the debates.
Sadly, I dont think the DNC will let him get that far...remember what they and hillary did to Bernie....he is rational, sane, and has some real ideas, some of which dont follow the party line
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Post by SonamTashi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:49 am

From what I've seen so far, the reason many Democrats and lefties don't like him (and why Libertarians and right-wingers like him) is because Universal Basic Income is sometimes proposed by Libertarians as a way to basically wean people off of the social safety net. Milton Friedman, for example, proposed it (calling it a Negative Income Tax), saying it "would be less costly, and would reduce the administrative burden of implementing a social safety net" and that it "would only be satisfactory if it replaced the current system of welfare programs rather than augment it."

This idea has supposedly become popular in tech circles, especially Libertarians in the tech industry. It is apparently seen as a way for companies to guarantee that they have customers to sell things to as automation replaces workers. So socialists often oppose the idea when it is proposed as a way to put a bandaid on capitalism and prevent a transition to socialism. This is one of the main reasons many are skeptical of Andrew Yang. While he also supports Medicare for all which would add to the social safety net, he has also supposedly said this money would replace social safety nets for the disabled, for instance. That is, they either opt in and take the 1k or opt out and stay on their disability payment.

(https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse ... drew_yang/)

I think UBI is a good idea, but not if it replaces other welfare benefits.
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SonamTashi wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:49 am
From what I've seen so far, the reason many Democrats and lefties don't like him (and why Libertarians and right-wingers like him) is because Universal Basic Income is sometimes proposed by Libertarians as a way to basically wean people off of the social safety net. Milton Friedman, for example, proposed it (calling it a Negative Income Tax), saying it "would be less costly, and would reduce the administrative burden of implementing a social safety net" and that it "would only be satisfactory if it replaced the current system of welfare programs rather than augment it."

This idea has supposedly become popular in tech circles, especially Libertarians in the tech industry. It is apparently seen as a way for companies to guarantee that they have customers to sell things to as automation replaces workers. So socialists often oppose the idea when it is proposed as a way to put a bandaid on capitalism and prevent a transition to socialism. This is one of the main reasons many are skeptical of Andrew Yang. While he also supports Medicare for all which would add to the social safety net, he has also supposedly said this money would replace social safety nets for the disabled, for instance. That is, they either opt in and take the 1k or opt out and stay on their disability payment.

(https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse ... drew_yang/)

I think UBI is a good idea, but not if it replaces other welfare benefits.
From yang2020.com:

"- How would we pay for Universal Basic Income?


It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding UBI by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction...

The means to pay for a Universal Basic Income will come from 4 sources:

1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of Universal Basic Income because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits."

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Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Fa Dao wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:01 am
Queequeg wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:58 am
Woah. Just watched that interview.

That might be the smartest guy running right now.

I can see the angles where they'll go after him.

Looking forward to seeing what he does in the debates.
Sadly, I dont think the DNC will let him get that far...remember what they and hillary did to Bernie....he is rational, sane, and has some real ideas, some of which dont follow the party line
I think it starts with his realistic assessment of the way things actually are in this country.

As he discusses, his ideas are ahead of the curve now. For people who are paying attention to the technological advances that are coming, it is an absolute no-brainer:

Robots and AI are coming faster than people realize and they are going to wipe out 50% or more of the jobs out there now.

1. Self driving trucks are coming. Estimated to save over $160 Billion dollars a year - you don't think companies are not going to push that through?
2. Warehouses will be 100% robotic - already happening, see Amazon's distribution centers.
3. Cashierless stores - to the extent that stores will even be around they will have skeleton crews stocking shelves.
4. Back office administrative and clerical jobs. Just the way software like Excel wiped out book keeping departments, the coming AI and big data processing will eliminate most back office jobs.

He talks about his conversations with politicians who when faced with this say:

We can't talk about it. It will scare people.
We will study it.
We will retrain.

He then points out - retraining has 0-15% success. A laid off trucker is not going to learn how to be a lab tech or coder.

Bottom line - Libertarians may like the universal income, but its going to be necessary to stave off the worst effects of the transformation of the economy because over half the population will not be any jobs for them.

He also talks about single payer health care, hawkish foreign policy.

If you have the time, listen to this. He lays out the whole vision in detail.

Aside, going on Rogan's show is a huge move. He reached a lot of people with that show. If you're not paying attention to new media - Rogan is one of the most important opinion makers in the country right now.
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Post by SonamTashi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Bottom line - Libertarians may like the universal income, but its going to be necessary to stave off the worst effects of the transformation of the economy because over half the population will not be any jobs for them.
To be clear, I'm not opposed to BUI; far from it, I think it is necessary. But we absolutely can not implement BUI as an excuse to cut social services and destroy the social safety net, like Libertarians want to do. Sadly, the way Yang describes his BUI system and how it would be funded sounds a LOT like the Libertarian's ideal BUI. The only real difference is that Libertarians use BUI as an excuse to cut most or all of the social safety net, while Yang wants to keep some welfare programs, even implement others (like Universal Healthcare), but at the same time use BUI to replace other welfare programs like SSDI, Section 8 housing, etc.

In Yang's system, you have to choose between getting BUI or your Section 8 housing/SNAP benefits, etc. The fact that Yang is proposing that all Americans 18 or over get $1000 a month in BUI, whether you're rich or poor, with the exception being the most poor, the people who need it most, the people who receive welfare, forcing potential welfare recipients to choose between welfare and BUI, is incredibly backwards and frankly dangerous. Yang's system would not help those who need the most help. In fact, BUI will likely lead to companies increasing prices (limiting the purchasing power of that $1000), and the VAT will essentially be an additional sales tax, limiting the power of $1000 even further.

Forcing disability recipients to choose between disability and $1000 in BUI is particularly pernicious. BUI, especially at that amount, is supplementary income. Disabled people would, by definition, not have income to supplememt without disability benefits.

BUI is a great idea, and one that really needs to be implemented in any Capitalist society moving forward, but Yang's plan is at best poorly thought out, and many progressives and socialists view Yang's plan as an attempt to inject Libertarian ideals into the Democratic party, steal votes from Bernie Sanders, or to poison the well on BUI altogether by initially presenting it to the masses in an unworkable form that strongly resembles Libertarianism and the ideas of Milton Friedman. To put it succinctly: we need BUI, but not like this. If you are poor or disabled you shouldn't have to choose between BUI and welfare benefits.
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Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:55 pm

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Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 pm
In Yang's system, you have to choose between getting BUI or your Section 8 housing/SNAP benefits, etc. The fact that Yang is proposing that all Americans 18 or over get $1000 a month in BUI, whether you're rich or poor, with the exception being the most poor, the people who need it most, the people who receive welfare, forcing potential welfare recipients to choose between welfare and BUI, is incredibly backwards and frankly dangerous. Yang's system would not help those who need the most help. In fact, BUI will likely lead to companies increasing prices (limiting the purchasing power of that $1000), and the VAT will essentially be an additional sales tax, limiting the power of $1000 even further.
Right. This is not going to solve the problems of people at the bottom of the economic ladder. Their circumstances don't change. This is about helping working poor and middle class who are not getting any benefits, but will likely spend the extra cash, circulating money into the economy. This is redistributing wealth accumulating at the top of the economy more evenly that would otherwise be redirected into the pockets of the capital classes.

There may be something to the criticism of VAT, but the way its presented is that this would be aimed at addressing Amazon, for instance, paying zero taxes by playing shell games with revenue across transnational borders. I'd like to see an economist's analysis of this.
Forcing disability recipients to choose between disability and $1000 in BUI is particularly pernicious. BUI, especially at that amount, is supplementary income. Disabled people would, by definition, not have income to supplememt without disability benefits.
Ah, depends on what your definition of pernicious is.

Disability fraud is a whole other issue. There are parts of the country where disability is a defacto BUI. There is no way those high proportions are actually disabled. There simply is no work so that's the alternative scheme to get.
To put it succinctly: we need BUI, but not like this. If you are poor or disabled you shouldn't have to choose between BUI and welfare benefits.
This seems like the most workable plan so far. Its within striking distance of being realistic - enough that its going to get the conversation going.
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Post by PeterC » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:46 am

Even if he doesn't get the nomination - and let's be realistic, he probably won't - having someone intelligent and articulate in the debate talking about these issues will make a difference to the platform of the party and the eventual nominee, and will get these issues into debate on the other side of the aisle. Frankly it's shocking that a large part of the US political system is still burying its head in the sand on these things. Universal basic income, single payor healthcare, creating property rights on personal data that then oblige data vendors to pay for it - these, along with significant action on climate change, are basic preconditions to prevent the US from becoming a socially volatile, violent economic backwater in the next few decades. They might not be enough, but without them, the outlook is bleak.

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Post by Queequeg » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:25 am

Picking up on some tangents above -

He's the only person who is actually talking about working class Middle America, particularly men, talking directly to the Rust Belt and taking seriously the problems they are facing. I think this is why the alt right is taking to him. At the same time, I have not heard him comment on race to any remarkable extent.

As a Chinese American, he might be in one of the unique positions to take up those issues as a Democrat. If he were white, he'd be in danger of being called a white nationalist. Being of East Asian decent, he's inoculated to a degree.

I have a feeling his campaign is going to pick up some momentum, especially after he gets some licks in at the debate. If he gets his message out, I have a feeling it will have legs, and not just because of UBI - when you listen to him, that's just a part of his plan.
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Post by Queequeg » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:30 pm

This is what Yang is talking about:

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Post by jake » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:50 pm

I am a big fan of a Washington DC-based NPO, "Center for Economic and Policy Research." They have several worthwhile articles that unpack the myths behind the robots are taking our jobs. Most recently: http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/th ... s-industry

He concludes with:
"If we look at the data, it’s very hard to blame robots or technology more generally for the problems of inequality we have seen to date, but that doesn’t mean we won’t have this problem in the future. This is true in the sense that none of us know the future, but let’s think about this one a bit further.

People don’t get rich from technology, they get rich because we give certain people ownership of the technology with patent and copyright monopolies. This is not really an arguable point. Bill Gates has a $100 billion because we will arrest anyone that starts to mass produce computers with Windows software without paying Microsoft for the privilege.

The argument is that we want to give people like Gates incentive to innovate or do creative work. But if we are concerned about inequality then we can just give these people less incentive. If the argument is that this will lead to less rapid productivity growth, this is fine. After all, the issue was that we are supposed to be seeing massive rates of productivity growth, so who cares if the rate is a little less massive but we have less inequality? (I argue in Rigged, Chapter 5, that there is good reason to believe that we could actually have more rapid productivity growth with weaker protections and more public funding.)

In short, nothing about the robots-taking-our-jobs story makes sense. It hasn’t been happening, no major governmental agency or international organization expects it to happen any time soon, and if it did, it should be a good story for workers. If the robots turn out to be generating inequality it will be because of our robot policy, not the robots.

Yes, I write about this one a great deal. This is because the robots-taking-the-jobs story is constantly appearing in places like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and National Public Radio. They shouldn’t be taking the argument seriously, but they do. Which means those of us who care about reality have to do what we can to counter it." emphasis added
Another interesting argument from a second article:
"If the productivity story is unambiguous -- there is no mass displacement due to robots -- there are some who argue that robots are still leading to a redistribution from workers to the people who own the robots. In other words, there is something about the nature of robot technology that affects the labor market differently than other labor saving technologies.

While this argument is highly dubious on its face, it is worth looking more closely at what it implies. "Owning" a robot is not a technological relationship. Robots would not be expensive because of the materials and labor that go into assembling them.

If we just considered the cost of physically producing robots, they should be cheap. We should all be able to buy a robot for a few hundred dollars that would cook our food, clean our house, mow our lawns, and do all sorts of other tasks that are time-consuming, unpleasant and often involve substantial expenses. In this case, robots should be leading to rapid increases in real wages and living standards.

However, if robots are expensive and therefore redistributing large amounts of money from ordinary workers to the people who own robots, it is because of the patent and copyright monopolies associated with building robots. But these monopolies have nothing to do with the technology; these are incentives the government gives to support innovation. In other words, the length and strength of patents and copyrights are determined by public policy." http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-col ... robot-myth
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Post by DNS » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:19 pm

Even if robots do take over many jobs, who will build the robots? Who will repair the robots? Who will design new robots? There will still be humans doing all or most of that. Design work, creative type work will still need humans.

Self-help legal robot type work could be done, but who writes the laws and debates them? It's still the attorneys and politicians for that too. A robot will not be very persuasive in a court of law.

Currently there are retail stores and shopping malls closing down in droves. People are ordering things online, even food now. This is closing down bricks and mortar stores and laying off employees, but it is more of a shift in employment. The shift is going from store workers to warehouse workers, call centers, taking orders, packing the goods and shipping them off.

Hopefully, UBI won't be needed, because I don't know how the government would afford to pay all those salaries to people who don't work. In case it is needed, my preference would be that people receive it in exchange for some type of community service work, volunteering. Besides the societal benefit, it would be good on an individual level too, knowing that they are still contributing to society.

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