hiheart wrote: Dear narraboth,
There is nothing wrong with Shamatha and like I said Shakya Shri, Tsele Natsok Rangdrol makes the same point as Khenpo Ngaga. I recently reread Sam van Schaiks "Approaching the Great Perfection" and there are a few very good texts he translated by Jigme Lingpa. In those texts he makes it very clear that there is a gradual way to practice Dzogchen and the truly direct approach (for example the text starting on page 208).
I have no idea who recognized the natural state and who didn't, I just try to follow my teachers instruction.
I have read about two methods too. I will try to get the book still.
but i am not sure how often you can get a container for the very direct method. My impression is that it's very rare. Maybe I am wrong, maybe people nowadays are much smarter. (?)
For jigmed lingpa's saying, there is a very critical but hard-to-understand paragraph in the middle of yeshe lama, he mentioned many cases that people think 'it's the thing' while it's actually not.
Surely we need to follow teacher's instruction. I am just wondering what I should do if I have both ugyen tulku rinpoche and namkhei norbu rinpoche as teachers; should I do ngondro then?