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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:57 am

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:38 am
Does the DC practice have a torma?
It is described as something which may be used, but no detail given.
('paste mixed with medicine modelled into a specific form')

It includes sang & serkyem, cakes and milk.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by pemachophel » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:05 pm

Here's a picture of the Dujom Naga torma.

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Sorry, don't seem to be able to make this work and don't know how to delete.

Anyway, it's basically a zhay-se (food offering torma) with four-colored jewels, a Naga over the top, and kar-gyen with jewels.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:24 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:05 pm
Here's a picture of the Dujom Naga torma.

Image

Sorry, don't seem to be able to make this work and don't know how to delete.

Anyway, it's basically a zhay-se (food offering torma) with four-colored jewels, a Naga over the top, and kar-gyen with jewels.
There's no link to the image, so I'm not surprised. lol :)
You can't upload a pic, only link to a pic on the web.
You need to paste the image address in between the 'img' and '/img' boxes.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:30 pm

Today solstice, tomorrow Naga Puja 'positive' day.:)
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:11 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:30 pm
Today solstice, tomorrow Naga Puja 'positive' day.:)
Full moon day is the best day this month, but tomorrow is a good day too.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:11 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:30 pm
Today solstice, tomorrow Naga Puja 'positive' day.:)
Full moon day is the best day this month, but tomorrow is a good day too.
Full Moon day is not listed as positive for Naga Puja in the DC Calendar. Other practices, yes, but next positive day for Naga Puja in the DC is 2nd July. The Drukpa Calendar agrees. ;)
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:19 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:11 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:30 pm
Today solstice, tomorrow Naga Puja 'positive' day.:)
Full moon day is the best day this month, but tomorrow is a good day too.
Full Moon day is not listed as positive for Naga Puja in the DC Calendar. Other practices, yes, but next positive day for Naga Puja in the DC is 2nd July. The Drukpa Calendar agrees. ;)
I go with Lama Chodak's calendar. Generally speaking all the major days (full, new, first quarter, Dakini and Guru Rinpoche) are good days for Naga offerings, or neutral at the worst.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:21 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:19 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:11 pm
Full moon day is the best day this month, but tomorrow is a good day too.
Full Moon day is not listed as positive for Naga Puja in the DC Calendar. Other practices, yes, but next positive day for Naga Puja in the DC is 2nd July. The Drukpa Calendar agrees. ;)
I go with Lama Chodak's calendar. Generally speaking all the major days (full, new, first quarter, Dakini and Guru Rinpoche) are good days for Naga offerings, or neutral at the worst.
Sure, just didn't want to mislead any DC folk, this thread being about the DC Naga Puja. :)
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:21 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:19 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 pm


Full Moon day is not listed as positive for Naga Puja in the DC Calendar. Other practices, yes, but next positive day for Naga Puja in the DC is 2nd July. The Drukpa Calendar agrees. ;)
I go with Lama Chodak's calendar. Generally speaking all the major days (full, new, first quarter, Dakini and Guru Rinpoche) are good days for Naga offerings, or neutral at the worst.
Sure, just didn't want to mislead any DC folk, this thread being about the DC Naga Puja. :)
True. Sorry.
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Post by Mantrik » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:31 am

Does anyone know about the origin of ChNN's Naga Rite please?

It seems to follow the Thun format but I wondered if it came from Changchub Dorje or Adzom Drugpa originally.

Anyone know?

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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:28 pm

Has anyone found out what can be used as a talisman in the naga rite?

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Post by Mantrik » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:55 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
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Has anyone found out what can be used as a talisman in the naga rite?

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I asked but nobody was able to tell me.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Malcolm » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:04 pm

Grigoris wrote:
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Does the DC practice have a torma?
No. It is a kind of sang with offerings of milk, etc
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:19 pm

If burning incense with animal products such as musk annoys the Nagas, how should we regard butter-lamps?
Butter being an animal product, I wondered.
Burning chemical laden tea lights is probably not too wonderful either.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by pemachophel » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:07 pm

Butter does not require the cow to be killed. Actually we use a number of animal products in Naga sang and puja, such as conch shell, crocodile claws, snake skin, none of which necessarily require the animal to be killed.

Miusk is a very potent specific poison to Nagas. When doing a wrathful practice to subdue Nagas, one sometimes anoints one's body (not saying where) with musk oil.
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:26 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:07 pm
Butter does not require the cow to be killed. Actually we use a number of animal products in Naga sang and puja, such as conch shell, crocodile claws, snake skin, none of which necessarily require the animal to be killed.

Miusk is a very potent specific poison to Nagas. When doing a wrathful practice to subdue Nagas, one sometimes anoints one's body (not saying where) with musk oil.
Thanks. :)

Yes, conch can be for fluids like milk and also for sound, and of course as a mala.
Naga Kanya holds one, of course. I have a transmission for Naga Kanya as well, a very simple affair.

Commercially produced butter, like milk, does of course involve slaughter of calves, but not essentially so in old India I'm sure. I tend to use olive oil in my butter lamps, but wondered about the old tradition and the Nagas.

If people use tea lights there are plant wax ones available which I fancy may be less 'polluting' in Naga pujas than petroleum wax ones.

Interesting wrathful use of musk oil!
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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Tenma » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:46 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:26 pm
pemachophel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:07 pm
Butter does not require the cow to be killed. Actually we use a number of animal products in Naga sang and puja, such as conch shell, crocodile claws, snake skin, none of which necessarily require the animal to be killed.

Miusk is a very potent specific poison to Nagas. When doing a wrathful practice to subdue Nagas, one sometimes anoints one's body (not saying where) with musk oil.
Thanks. :)

Yes, conch can be for fluids like milk and also for sound, and of course as a mala.
Naga Kanya holds one, of course. I have a transmission for Naga Kanya as well, a very simple affair.

Commercially produced butter, like milk, does of course involve slaughter of calves, but not essentially so in old India I'm sure. I tend to use olive oil in my butter lamps, but wondered about the old tradition and the Nagas.

If people use tea lights there are plant wax ones available which I fancy may be less 'polluting' in Naga pujas than petroleum wax ones.

Interesting wrathful use of musk oil!
I'm pretty sure that's not how butter is made...if I recall correctly, it's more a "churning" the milk through several processes instead of killing the animal just for a slab.

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Re: Dzogchen Community Naga Rite

Post by Mantrik » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:47 pm

Tenma wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:46 pm
Mantrik wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:26 pm
pemachophel wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:07 pm
Butter does not require the cow to be killed. Actually we use a number of animal products in Naga sang and puja, such as conch shell, crocodile claws, snake skin, none of which necessarily require the animal to be killed.

Miusk is a very potent specific poison to Nagas. When doing a wrathful practice to subdue Nagas, one sometimes anoints one's body (not saying where) with musk oil.
Thanks. :)

Yes, conch can be for fluids like milk and also for sound, and of course as a mala.
Naga Kanya holds one, of course. I have a transmission for Naga Kanya as well, a very simple affair.

Commercially produced butter, like milk, does of course involve slaughter of calves, but not essentially so in old India I'm sure. I tend to use olive oil in my butter lamps, but wondered about the old tradition and the Nagas.

If people use tea lights there are plant wax ones available which I fancy may be less 'polluting' in Naga pujas than petroleum wax ones.

Interesting wrathful use of musk oil!
I'm pretty sure that's not how butter is made...if I recall correctly, it's more a "churning" the milk through several processes instead of killing the animal just for a slab.
In commercial dairy farming humans get the milk intended for the calves. So many of the calves are therefore surplus to requirements and are killed. Personally, I wouldn't use commercially produced butter at all because of that. Let's not get too far off the topic though. In an Indian village the chances are they would not take so much of the milk, and using the butter would not be at the expense of a calf's life.
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