sang and serkyem practice

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Lukeinaz » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm

heart wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:50 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:12 pm
A couple questions about ChNN's sang and serkyem.

Can the serkyem materials be offered as well if you are just doing a sang offering?
I never seen that done, I am not sure why you would do that.
For serkyem, does the practitioner consume any part of the offering when finished, or does it all go outside?

Thanks!
No, it is all going outside.

/magnus
Yeah, I only ask because in the sang and serkyem booklet it says "for Sangchod you should prepare serkyem". I am still confused about what that means.
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Malcolm » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:18 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:57 pm
jay wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:32 am
Thanks magnus- Yes, it is ChNN's pratice. I'm really looking forward to it. I dont have any sang at the momment, but have some green tara incense from bhutan. Would it be ok to use that? In the book, it says to empower the sang water...how do i do that?


I'm hoping a nice glass of merlot appeases my guests :smile:

J
You can grind up ceder needles, or use sage (smudge stick), or use artemesia, etc. Typically, with ser khyem, you would use tea in the morning, booze at night. You also have to have a drink as well, of either tea or booze.
so you would have a drink from cup on altar and then put it outside?
No, you have a serkyen cup for the alter, and you have your own cup, When you are done, you drink your tea; and after take the shrine tea out.
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The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Malcolm » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm
heart wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:50 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:12 pm
A couple questions about ChNN's sang and serkyem.

Can the serkyem materials be offered as well if you are just doing a sang offering?
I never seen that done, I am not sure why you would do that.
For serkyem, does the practitioner consume any part of the offering when finished, or does it all go outside?

Thanks!
No, it is all going outside.

/magnus
Yeah, I only ask because in the sang and serkyem booklet it says "for Sangchod you should prepare serkyem". I am still confused about what that means.
Means you need to make a serkyem for the offerings also. Sang and serkhyem are commonly done in the morning, after which one has a tea break with tea prepared for the rite.

When doing serkhyem in the evening, one also needs to have cups set out for the participants so they all have a little wine at the end. If doing intense Ngaggong or something, you need to take breaks, and during breaks, one has a drink -- this is the mthong brgyud, the seeing lineage.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Lukeinaz » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:18 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:57 pm


You can grind up ceder needles, or use sage (smudge stick), or use artemesia, etc. Typically, with ser khyem, you would use tea in the morning, booze at night. You also have to have a drink as well, of either tea or booze.
so you would have a drink from cup on altar and then put it outside?
No, you have a serkyen cup for the alter, and you have your own cup, When you are done, you drink your tea; and after take the shrine tea out.
Cheers!
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Malcolm » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:33 pm

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:18 pm


so you would have a drink from cup on altar and then put it outside?
No, you have a serkyen cup for the alter, and you have your own cup, When you are done, you drink your tea; and after take the shrine tea out.
Cheers!
Exactly.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:22 am

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:12 pm
A couple questions about ChNN's sang and serkyem.

Can the serkyem materials be offered as well if you are just doing a sang offering?

For serkyem, does the practitioner consume any part of the offering when finished, or does it all go outside?

Thanks!
Yes. You can offer drinks and other substances in sang offering.

Answer is in the idc booklet
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Adamantine » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:49 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm
heart wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:50 pm


I never seen that done, I am not sure why you would do that.



No, it is all going outside.

/magnus
Yeah, I only ask because in the sang and serkyem booklet it says "for Sangchod you should prepare serkyem". I am still confused about what that means.
Means you need to make a serkyem for the offerings also. Sang and serkhyem are commonly done in the morning, after which one has a tea break with tea prepared for the rite.

When doing serkhyem in the evening, one also needs to have cups set out for the participants so they all have a little wine at the end. If doing intense Ngaggong or something, you need to take breaks, and during breaks, one has a drink -- this is the mthong brgyud, the seeing lineage.
Is that corresponding to making an inner offering to inner dharmapalas?
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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Malcolm » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:00 pm

Adamantine wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:49 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:25 pm
Lukeinaz wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:22 pm


Yeah, I only ask because in the sang and serkyem booklet it says "for Sangchod you should prepare serkyem". I am still confused about what that means.
Means you need to make a serkyem for the offerings also. Sang and serkhyem are commonly done in the morning, after which one has a tea break with tea prepared for the rite.

When doing serkhyem in the evening, one also needs to have cups set out for the participants so they all have a little wine at the end. If doing intense Ngaggong or something, you need to take breaks, and during breaks, one has a drink -- this is the mthong brgyud, the seeing lineage.
Is that corresponding to making an inner offering to inner dharmapalas?

No, it is literally having a drink with the The Jewels and the protectors.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:53 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:00 pm
Adamantine wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:49 am

Is that corresponding to making an inner offering to inner dharmapalas?

No, it is literally having a drink with the The Jewels and the protectors.
Malcolm, I have some questions so I can begin this practice:

(1) Does one literally just separately make oneself a cup of tea, put it on one's puja table, and then consume it at the end? Or does one poor oneself some tea from a larger container offered on the altar?

(2) I live in a crowded two-story apartment building. There is a grassy area behind my building where people and domesticated animals can't access, so I could toss the serkyem offering over a short chain-link fence there, but not in the 4 directions. There's also the possibility I may be seen doing this when it's still light out, though a good chance I may not. If I do the practice in the morning when I have the opportunity, is it permissible to leave the serkyem on the altar all day and then offer it outside at night when it's dark and I'm less likely to be seen?

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Malcolm » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:34 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:53 pm


(1) Does one literally just separately make oneself a cup of tea, put it on one's puja table, and then consume it at the end?
Yes.
(2) I live in a crowded two-story apartment building. There is a grassy area behind my building where people and domesticated animals can't access, so I could toss the serkyem offering over a short chain-link fence there, but not in the 4 directions. There's also the possibility I may be seen doing this when it's still light out, though a good chance I may not. If I do the practice in the morning when I have the opportunity, is it permissible to leave the serkyem on the altar all day and then offer it outside at night when it's dark and I'm less likely to be seen?
Serkhyem does not need to be tossed in four directions, unless doing in a very formal way. It just needs to be poured out in a clean place, and yes, you can leave it to pour out later.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: sang and serkyem practice

Post by Pema Rigdzin » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:47 pm

Thanks!

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