when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by Motova » Wed May 07, 2014 6:40 pm

alpha wrote:
Motova wrote:Questions about starting:

What level of meditation stability should one have?
What sort of qualities should one have?
How does one go about asking for a direct introduction from a lama?
Qualities of the highest caliber, but the way they were introduced they sounded as being ordinary qualities.
Initially when i started with dzogchen i thought i have all those qualities.
Today I am not so sure anymore.

As for direct introduction, CNNr, gives it with every webcast.
Thanks, ChNN seems to be the go to guy as others have said in this thread and others. I'll check him out, but I have access to a live Dzogchen teacher so I prefer to go down that route. I just don't want to jump the gun, because I am a total beginner in regard to the Buddhadharma and my concentration is shit.

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by Sönam » Thu May 08, 2014 8:56 am

Motova wrote:Questions about starting:

What level of meditation stability should one have?
none
What sort of qualities should one have?
none
How does one go about asking for a direct introduction from a lama?
One goes to a (true) Dzogchen master and asks for direct introduction

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By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by Motova » Fri May 09, 2014 12:54 am

Sönam wrote:
Motova wrote:Questions about starting:

What level of meditation stability should one have?
none
What sort of qualities should one have?
none
How does one go about asking for a direct introduction from a lama?
One goes to a (true) Dzogchen master and asks for direct introduction

Sönam
That sounds to good to be true. :rolling:

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by Sönam » Fri May 09, 2014 4:15 am

Motova wrote:
That sounds to good to be true. :rolling:
Doubt is a main obstacle ...

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By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by smcj » Fri May 09, 2014 4:31 am

Sönam wrote:
Motova wrote:
That sounds to good to be true. :rolling:
Doubt is a main obstacle ...
True. However as a general rule, so is wanting something for nothing.
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.
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Re: when to start studying and practicing Dzogchen

Post by Andrew108 » Fri May 09, 2014 6:50 am

My own view is that practitioners should study Dzogchen as soon as possible. The same goes for Mahamudra. Then they should work back through tantra to the sutra teachings. For westerners I am convinced that it is better to walk down the mountain than to climb up it.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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