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blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:34 pm
by duffster1
I heard Chogyal Namkhai Noru Rinpoche say at the webcast today that everyone has the potential to realize rainbow body and then he said that one can block that potential and then one has no possibility of realizing it in this life?Is it possible to block one's possibility of having realization for their entire life?

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:38 pm
by KonchokZoepa
a better question would be that what exactly is this blockage?

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:40 pm
by duffster1
KonchokZoepa wrote:a better question would be that what exactly is this blockage?
Well yes but i thought one could always realize.(or remove blockage)

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:35 pm
by KonchokZoepa
but if you dont know what the blockage is how can you remove it ?

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:40 pm
by duffster1
KonchokZoepa wrote:but if you dont know what the blockage is how can you remove it ?
My OP was that Rinpoche said there was blockage that couldn't be removed in this lifetime.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:40 pm
by KonchokZoepa
well, you can never remove it if you dont know what the blockage is..?

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:41 pm
by duffster1
duffster1 wrote:
KonchokZoepa wrote:but if you dont know what the blockage is how can you remove it ?
My OP was that Rinpoche said there was blockage that couldn't be removed in this lifetime,not find the blockage and remove it.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:42 pm
by duffster1
KonchokZoepa wrote:well, you can never remove it if you dont know what the blockage is..?
I totally agree.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:43 pm
by KonchokZoepa
that is why i presented the question that does anyone know what the blockage is he was talking about. that would prove most likely to be useful information.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:47 pm
by Konchog1
“My guru told me that if I did not promulgate this Dharma [Yamantaka] widely, but solely practiced it, my body would become a rainbow body in this lifetime, but hoping to benefit you, I did not follow this command, and so I will be reborn another two or three times."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
There are likely other blockages as well.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:52 pm
by duffster1
KonchokZoepa wrote:that is why i presented the question that does anyone know what the blockage is he was talking about. that would prove most likely to be useful information.
He didn't elaborate that's why i was wondering what he meant by saying it,i don't have the exact quote but he said something along the lines of one can block realization of the rainbow body for this life time,i don't think i misunderstood him.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:01 pm
by padma norbu
Most people, including dzogchen practitioners, probably don't achieve rainbow body, right? Seems like they were all blocked, then.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:10 pm
by KonchokZoepa
duffster1 i was listening to the teaching, i heard also what you are talking about, but he didnt mention what the blockage was/is.

but i would think that there are many many blockages and its matter of realization and merit and wisdom that you transform into such advanced being that you manifest rainbow body in this life.

i have a book by ChNN named something rainbow body, i havent read it but i think its a story of a yogi and something with rainbow body, might have something else also in it other than the story. if you want it i can send it to you via email or skype.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:12 pm
by duffster1
padma norbu wrote:Most people, including dzogchen practitioners, probably don't achieve rainbow body, right? Seems like they were all blocked, then.
Yes true.but i'm under the impression that all blockages can be removed in this lifetime,so what could block without a possibility of unblocking in this lifetime?

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:15 pm
by duffster1
duffster1 wrote:
padma norbu wrote:Most people, including dzogchen practitioners, probably don't achieve rainbow body, right? Seems like they were all blocked, then.
Yes true.but i'm under the impression that all blockages can be removed in this lifetime,so what could block without a possibility of unblocking in this lifetime?
i don't know if i'm making my question clear,it just seems strange that there could be something that one hasn't got a possibility to unblock.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:16 pm
by duffster1
KonchokZoepa wrote:duffster1 i was listening to the teaching, i heard also what you are talking about, but he didnt mention what the blockage was/is.

but i would think that there are many many blockages and its matter of realization and merit and wisdom that you transform into such advanced being that you manifest rainbow body in this life.

i have a book by ChNN named something rainbow body, i havent read it but i think its a story of a yogi and something with rainbow body, might have something else also in it other than the story. if you want it i can send it to you via email or skype.
Yes thank you KonchokZoepa,i will send u my email address.

:thumbsup:

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:01 pm
by krodha
One potential block is damage to samaya, and when you're a teacher you apparently take on the samaya of your students. ChNN has said before that because he has so many students, it would be somewhat difficult for him to attain rainbow body.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:05 pm
by futerko
He did say what the cause of the potential blockage was... I think it was something about bragging to other people about achievements, visions, and accomplishments, but I would have to listen to the replay to be 100% sure.



edit; I think the point he was making was that any "results" on an energy level were merely a halfway point to the real deal, which was to realise the nature of mind itself.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:11 pm
by Pero
duffster1 wrote:I heard Chogyal Namkhai Noru Rinpoche say at the webcast today that everyone has the potential to realize rainbow body and then he said that one can block that potential and then one has no possibility of realizing it in this life?Is it possible to block one's possibility of having realization for their entire life?
Most likely (did not listen) he was talking about getting attached to experiences.

Re: blocking realization

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:29 pm
by florin
Cnnr has specifically reffered to the fault of attachement to vissionary experiences during thogal due to not having a stable base.
In another webcast Rinpoche has said that that these blockages can be removed if one trains under guidance very precisely and starts anew from the very beginning by reeducating their own minds ....starting with shamata etc.....