smcj wrote:Serious question: How is Ati guruyoga different than regular guruyoga?However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.
If you really want to know, I recommend you attend a retreat.
smcj wrote:Serious question: How is Ati guruyoga different than regular guruyoga?However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.
smcj wrote:My impression is that it skips the historical lineage and just goes to the heart of the matter with the guru being the primordial "AH".
Elegant.Malcolm wrote:The point is that all teachings one has received and their lineages are included within one's own state, represented in the visualization.
smcj wrote:Elegant.Malcolm wrote:The point is that all teachings one has received and their lineages are included within one's own state, represented in the visualization.
Perhaps the problem arises because people focus in the temporary features of the teacher instead of his true nature. Going beyond appearances and connecting with the true nature of the guru is the first step to recognize the same nature in ourselves. If poorly understood, guru yoga easily becomes a sort of unhealthy dependence. Properly understood, it isn't even a human thing any longer. It's the alfa and omega of the path.smcj wrote:I'd like to nominate the normal guruyoga as one of the most problematic of TB's teachings/practices for Westerners. Recently I've been able to have some informal discussions about it with a Kagyu lama and it ends up not a problem if fully understood. It just seems to need more explanation than people usually get. It's not about making a personality cult. Aside from whatever makes ChNN's guruyoga specifically appropriate to Dzogchen, it seems to successfully avoid that pitfall with minimal explanation. But I'm sure there's more to ChNN"s approach than what I can see at a distance.
What, if they have received many different levels of initiations (anuyoga)? I heard after initiation one should to do at least Vajrasattva mantras for preventing samaya-breakages growing.Malcolm wrote:They practice what they are able to. As ChNN says, "Do your best." However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.pael wrote:How about after DI or initiation finding it insuitable for their wishes or capabilities? What to do then?Malcolm wrote:
Dzogchen is only for people who are truly interested in it. Others should find paths more suited to their wishes, As Pagor Vairocana said to Paṇḍita Prajn̄āsiddhi, when asked with which vehicle can the result be attained, he replied:
- The individual entrances into the innermost view of ultimate dharmatā
are differentiated by grades of capacity.
The result will also be obtained by realizing
any vehicle of the sublime Dharma taught by the Buddha.
According to the boss, 100%.pael wrote: Will Ati guruyoga compensate all those?
Do you mean easier than Amitabha chanting of Pure Land Buddhism?Malcolm wrote: However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.
Yes, it is a much more direct path than pure land practice.pael wrote:Do you mean easier than Amitabha chanting of Pure Land Buddhism?Malcolm wrote: However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.
I understood birth in Sukhavati is guaranteed by saying his name ten times.
You mean, you say the name ten times and it's guaranteed rebirth in a Pure Land? Without wanting to sound disrespectful, I have a really hard time buying that...pael wrote:Do you mean easier than Amitabha chanting of Pure Land Buddhism?Malcolm wrote: However, Ati guruyoga is about the easiest practice in the world.
I understood birth in Sukhavati is guaranteed by saying his name ten times.
Of course.pael wrote: Will Ati guruyoga compensate all those?
Longer Sukhavativyuha Sutra, Gomez trans., p. 71Dechen Norbu wrote:You mean, you say the name ten times and it's guaranteed rebirth in a Pure Land? Without wanting to sound disrespectful, I have a really hard time buying that...
first up...i've so been inspired from this section of the forum.Dechen Norbu wrote:Still don't buy it. Just because it's written doesn't mean it's true. I just can't see how that would work, you see?
Forget karma. We make ten recitations with the aspiration to be reborn in a pure land and we're off the hook? I mean, ten recitations are something so easy to perform that I wonder why Buddha gave a single teaching other than that. The conditions to attain enlightenment in a Pure Land are so more favourable that such method would render most practices irrelevant. Sounds too good to be true...
I'm sort of muzzled here talking about this and how i feel about it..We make ten recitations with the aspiration to be reborn in a pure land and we're off the hook?
I so wanted to post these exact words .I wonder why Buddha gave a single teaching other than that
This is the part that drives me here....more of a question than me saying something is so.The conditions to attain enlightenment in a Pure Land are so more favourable that such method would render most practices irrelevant
The caveat is that since a single day there is many thousands of human years long...Dechen Norbu wrote:Still don't buy it. Just because it's written doesn't mean it's true. I just can't see how that would work, you see?
Forget karma. We make ten recitations with the aspiration to be reborn in a pure land and we're off the hook? I mean, ten recitations are something so easy to perform that I wonder why Buddha gave a single teaching other than that. The conditions to attain enlightenment in a Pure Land are so more favourable that such method would render most practices irrelevant. Sounds too good to be true...
I'm sure time passes quickly in Sukhavati...Malcolm wrote:The caveat is that since a single day there is many thousands of human years long...Dechen Norbu wrote:Still don't buy it. Just because it's written doesn't mean it's true. I just can't see how that would work, you see?
Forget karma. We make ten recitations with the aspiration to be reborn in a pure land and we're off the hook? I mean, ten recitations are something so easy to perform that I wonder why Buddha gave a single teaching other than that. The conditions to attain enlightenment in a Pure Land are so more favourable that such method would render most practices irrelevant. Sounds too good to be true...