conebeckham wrote:Yes, different......in some sense. And there are many other different methods---the Lama may make gestures, or speak a few words. Different approaches, but same goal. The more "gradual" questions are more in line with Mahamudra, or with Sem De Dzogchen, I think. Rigpai TselWang is a more "instant" approach, if that makes sense.michaelb wrote:I was wondering about the difference between the kind of direct introduction or rigpa'i tsal wang, where the lama shouts phat or some such syllable, compared to a more conversational pointing out, where the lama asks questions. Where/what is the mind, etc. Actually, at one Rigdzin Dupa wang the lama shouted a question.
Traditionally, are these two approaches seen as different?
There are all kinds of "rig pa'i rtsal dbangs." For example, the fourth empowerment of the King's Tradition Avalokiteśvara is called "the empowerment of the potential of vidyā," there are eighteen rig pa'i rtsal dbangs connected with Sems sde, and so on.