DC Ödzer Chenma practice

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DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by makewhisper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:17 am

Hi all,

Lately, I have been feeling drawn to the practice of Ödzer Chenma. I'm not sure why she appeals to me, but I don't suppose it matters. I have never engaged in a tantric sadhana, so not really sure what to expect if I order the practice booklet.

I was wondering if anyone in the DC could tell me about the practice (in PM if necessary). One concern I have is that I have yet to discover the state of GY. My main practice is the sems sde contemplations. Is there any point in doing her sadhana if one has not yet discovered the state of Dzogchen? Is her practice a way of approaching that state?

On an unrelated note, if anyone has any advice on the practice of kumbhaka/jamlung, please PM me. I'm currently doing Fabio Andrico's kumbhaka DVD.

Thanks!

Eric
ༀ་ཨཱཿ་ཧཱུྃ
Oṃ Āḥ Hūṃ
Om Ah Hung

"Whilst lacking pure renunciation there is no way to pacify
The continual thirst for pleasure in the ocean of saṃsāra,
And since all living beings are bound by their craving for existence,
You must begin by finding the determination to be free."

[from Je Tsongkhapa's Three Principal Aspects of the Path]

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by makewhisper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:22 am

I'm also hoping someone can explain to me her importance in the Dzogchen teachings. I gather she is mentioned in the sgra thal gyur. Does anyone have a quote from that text to share?
ༀ་ཨཱཿ་ཧཱུྃ
Oṃ Āḥ Hūṃ
Om Ah Hung

"Whilst lacking pure renunciation there is no way to pacify
The continual thirst for pleasure in the ocean of saṃsāra,
And since all living beings are bound by their craving for existence,
You must begin by finding the determination to be free."

[from Je Tsongkhapa's Three Principal Aspects of the Path]

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by Virgo » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:33 am

makewhisper wrote: Is there any point in doing her sadhana if one has not yet discovered the state of Dzogchen?

Eric
Of course. This practice is a protective practice in general and is especially good for protection while travelling. It is an enriching practice, so it can increase all positive things into your life, and also dispels all negativities. When we enrich our condition we have better circumstances which can help in our daily lives.

For discovering your own state, in the DC we generally sing the Song of the Vajra. That song, along with GY which we do at the beginning, is the most important of all practices of any class of teachings. That is why Rinpoche tacks it on to every single practice. But we do it as circumstances allow. So you can do it along with Ozer Chenma if you can, but you don't have to. We at least do it sometimes. Particularly good times are new and full moons and eclipses. If a practitioner who has received transmission sings that song, they can go beyond all limitations, just like Rinpoche instructs. Dzogchen teaching is about the individual. You should know yourself and work with circumstances. You should listen to the way Rinpoche explains it.

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by Karinos » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:27 pm

There is Sutra of Odzer Chienma (Marici) which you can easily practice without any permissions.
There are also Kriya Tantra empowerments for Marici.
Personally never heard of higher yoga tantra practices but probably there are some.
Not sure how NNR practice is categorized.

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by Josef » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:28 pm

Karinos wrote:There is Sutra of Odzer Chienma (Marici) which you can easily practice without any permissions.
There are also Kriya Tantra empowerments for Marici.
Personally never heard of higher yoga tantra practices but probably there are some.
Not sure how NNR practice is categorized.
It's an Anuyoga practice.
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The river of continuity is marked by impermanence.
Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
With gratitude the watcher and the watched pass through the barrier of duality.

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by Malcolm » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:19 pm

Karinos wrote:There is Sutra of Odzer Chienma (Marici) which you can easily practice without any permissions.
There are also Kriya Tantra empowerments for Marici.
Personally never heard of higher yoga tantra practices but probably there are some.
Not sure how NNR practice is categorized.
There is also a rdzog chen man ngag sde tantra of Marici.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: DC Ödzer Chenma practice

Post by Karinos » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:39 pm

awesome, thank you :anjali:

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