Pointing out only 3 times?

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Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by csmorg96 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am

I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by Virgo » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:28 am

I dont know. I have never heard that before. All of my teachers have tried to point out the nature of mind to the disciples over and over again many times.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by heart » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:44 am

csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am
I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
Who is the teacher? Could be a misunderstanding of the translator perhaps.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by csmorg96 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 pm

heart wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:44 am
csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am
I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
Who is the teacher? Could be a misunderstanding of the translator perhaps.


/magnus

I could PM you the teacher's name, but regardless, this teacher speaks perfect English.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by Aryjna » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:39 pm

csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 pm
heart wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:44 am
csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am
I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
Who is the teacher? Could be a misunderstanding of the translator perhaps.


/magnus

I could PM you the teacher's name, but regardless, this teacher speaks perfect English.
But why would the teacher's name be a secret? Unless it is information protected by samaya or something like that.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:50 pm

csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am
I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
Really, what is the book in which this claim was made?
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


The knowledge imparted through the guru’s instructions that formerly was unknown (avidyā) is vidyā.


—Treasury of the Supreme Vehicle, Longchenpa.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by heart » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:17 pm

csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:39 pm
heart wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:44 am
csmorg96 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:23 am
I recently read a teaching from a well respected teacher of dzogchen that states that a guru can only attempt to point out the nature of mind to a given disciple three times. Can anyone shed some light on why this teacher makes this claim? Have I misunderstood something?
Who is the teacher? Could be a misunderstanding of the translator perhaps.


/magnus

I could PM you the teacher's name, but regardless, this teacher speaks perfect English.
Yes, please I never heard that before.

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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by fckw » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:30 pm

It's the infamous three-strikes rule of Dzogchen. If you did not get it after the third time, you're forever-ever-ever lost. Sorry. Only thing left to you is go practice Mahamudra. Doesn't apply there.

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by jkarlins » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:36 pm

wahp wahp wahp
down to the minor leagues of Mahamudra

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by PuerAzaelis » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:55 am

I’m still batting .476 there.
Generally, enjoyment of speech is the gateway to poor [results]. So it becomes the foundation for generating all negative emotional states. Jampel Pawo, The Certainty of the Diamond Mind

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Re: Pointing out only 3 times?

Post by climb-up » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:03 pm

Could it possibly have been a reference to the three different ways of direct introduction; oral, symbolic and direct?
...just a guess.

What does the teacher say will happen after the third time, if not fully successful (which, btw, another dharma wheel thread promises me it literally always is)?

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