Phowa at the time of death

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Phowa at the time of death

Post by csmorg96 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:17 pm

Do Dzogchen practitioners practice phowa as they are dying or is this practice not considered necessary for those who have genuinely discovered the nature of their minds?

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by Malcolm » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 pm

csmorg96 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:17 pm
Do Dzogchen practitioners practice phowa as they are dying or is this practice not considered necessary for those who have genuinely discovered the nature of their minds?
They practice dharmakāya phowa.
Buddhahood in This Life
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by csmorg96 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:34 pm

When a dzogchen practitioner is practicing phowa for someone else are they practicing nirmanakaya phowa?

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:13 am

csmorg96 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:34 pm
When a dzogchen practitioner is practicing phowa for someone else are they practicing nirmanakaya phowa?
Generally, yes.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by pael » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:25 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 pm
csmorg96 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:17 pm
Do Dzogchen practitioners practice phowa as they are dying or is this practice not considered necessary for those who have genuinely discovered the nature of their minds?
They practice dharmakāya phowa.
What if they have slandered Dharma, abandoned Three Jewels and
transgressed all samaya vows more than three years ago? Are they doomed? I feel I have committed all these deeds. Do I have any hope?
May all beings be free from suffering and causes of suffering

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by Malcolm » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:40 pm

pael wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:25 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 pm
csmorg96 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:17 pm
Do Dzogchen practitioners practice phowa as they are dying or is this practice not considered necessary for those who have genuinely discovered the nature of their minds?
They practice dharmakāya phowa.
What if they have slandered Dharma, abandoned Three Jewels and
transgressed all samaya vows more than three years ago? Are they doomed? I feel I have committed all these deeds. Do I have any hope?
Just practice Ati guru yoga.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by pemachophel » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 pm

Pael,

And/or practice the shakpa/confession titled Narak Dong-trug Kan-shag (Dredging the Depths of Hell Fulfillment & Confession). It is said that this shakpa can purify all breeches of samaya regardless of how long ago they were committed. So not to worry. However, should try to get the lung if possible.
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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by Motova » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:56 pm

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 pm
Pael,

And/or practice the shakpa/confession titled Narak Dong-trug Kan-shag (Dredging the Depths of Hell Fulfillment & Confession). It is said that this shakpa can purify all breeches of samaya regardless of how long ago they were committed. So not to worry. However, should try to get the lung if possible.
:good:

So cool thank you so much, I have been wondering a long time whether there was such a practice.

I am very happy now. :jumping:
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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by pael » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:22 am

pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 pm
Pael,

And/or practice the shakpa/confession titled Narak Dong-trug Kan-shag (Dredging the Depths of Hell Fulfillment & Confession). It is said that this shakpa can purify all breeches of samaya regardless of how long ago they were committed. So not to worry. However, should try to get the lung if possible.
Where this practice text can be found? How to get/request lung from lama?
May all beings be free from suffering and causes of suffering

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by pemachophel » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:56 pm

I believe you can download it from www.tbrc.org. Then you print it out and take it to a Nyingma Lama and ask for lung. You make either the 37-point or the 7-point mandala offering, and then recite the prayer for asking the Teacher to turn the Wheel of Dharma. After the lung is complete, offer the mandala again by way of thanksgiving.

Good luck & best wishes.

P.S. Just did a quick search at the TBRC website and didn't immediately see it. Don't have time now. Maybe later today I can look for it again more thoroughly. But if you can't find the Tibetan text, just ask a Longchen Nyingthig Lama if He/She has this text. They probably will. Most Longchen Nyingthig practitioners know this by heart.
Pema Chophel པདྨ་ཆོས་འཕེལ

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by heart » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:15 pm

pael wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:22 am
pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 pm
Pael,

And/or practice the shakpa/confession titled Narak Dong-trug Kan-shag (Dredging the Depths of Hell Fulfillment & Confession). It is said that this shakpa can purify all breeches of samaya regardless of how long ago they were committed. So not to worry. However, should try to get the lung if possible.
Where this practice text can be found? How to get/request lung from lama?
https://lhaseylotsawa.org/assets/texts/ ... -Rigpa.pdf

/magnus
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Phowa at the time of death

Post by Motova » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:19 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:15 pm
pael wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:22 am
pemachophel wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:53 pm
Pael,

And/or practice the shakpa/confession titled Narak Dong-trug Kan-shag (Dredging the Depths of Hell Fulfillment & Confession). It is said that this shakpa can purify all breeches of samaya regardless of how long ago they were committed. So not to worry. However, should try to get the lung if possible.
Where this practice text can be found? How to get/request lung from lama?
https://lhaseylotsawa.org/assets/texts/ ... -Rigpa.pdf

/magnus
Thank you Magnus. :smile:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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