bar rlung

[Lukeinaz]

Is the gentle vase as taught by TR the same as bar rlung?

[Malcolm]

Is the gentle vase as taught by TR the same as bar rlung?

who is TR?
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Bar rlung is more or less the same.

[Lukeinaz]

Is the gentle vase as taught by TR the same as bar rlung?

who is TR?
\
Bar rlung is more or less the same.

Tsoknyi Rinpoche. Is there any use training in bar rlung before fully developing kumbhaka?

[Malcolm]

Is the gentle vase as taught by TR the same as bar rlung?

who is TR?
\
Bar rlung is more or less the same.

Tsoknyi Rinpoche. Is there any use training in bar rlung before fully developing kumbhaka?

Absolutely.

[Lukeinaz]

Thanks!

[florin]

Is the gentle vase as taught by TR the same as bar rlung?

There is a vase breathing variant described by rinpoche in "Open heart open mind".
The way is described here it gives the impression that anyone can do it without any preparation whatsoever as opposed to the kumbaka variant that is done in yantr yoga from DC. The one found in YY requires a much longer preparation.

[jet.urgyen]

If it is Bar lung the breathing the i'm affraid is counterwise, kumbakha can be practiced but Bar lung is spontaneous, kumbhaka leads to parlung.

If it is not that Bar lung, then ignore this , i don't know much of tibetan language.

[treehuggingoctopus]

These are restricted practices, you know. Not to be talked about in the public.

In any case, there is no one on any online message board authorised by ChNN to answer such questions. If you need an answer, write to one of the instructors.

[jet.urgyen]

These are restricted practices, you know. Not to be talked about in the public.

In any case, there is no one on any online message board authorised by ChNN to answer such questions. If you need an answer, write to one of the instructors.

Of course it is perfect if questions can be solved by our Gurú or a yogin, but in the mean time we should do research and be of use, there is a lot of litterature prepared for that.

I had myself strugled too much with this criteria while i was younger, and it has no value.. Old practitioners should help, not become an obstacle. Specially if we are not at 5 minutes from TR, ChNN and/or an instructor who has at least some level of realization.

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[treehuggingoctopus]

These are restricted practices, you know. Not to be talked about in the public.

In any case, there is no one on any online message board authorised by ChNN to answer such questions. If you need an answer, write to one of the instructors.

Of course it is perfect if questions can be solved by our Gurú or a yogin, but in the mean time we should do research and be of use, there is a lot of litterature prepared for that.

I had myself strugled too much with this criteria while i was younger, and it has no value.. Old practitioners should help, not become an obstacle. Specially if we are not at 5 minutes from TR, ChNN and/or an instructor who has at least some level of realization.

An instructor is an e-mail away. You want qualified help, not any help. Asking about the details of one's practice on message boards is going to get you nowhere near where you need to be -- as this thread nicely shows.

In any case, this is an open forum. Everything that belongs to the SMS training is restricted, so much that you should not even discuss its content with another teacher, as ChNN has pointed out.

[Lukeinaz]

These are restricted practices, you know. Not to be talked about in the public.

In any case, there is no one on any online message board authorised by ChNN to answer such questions. If you need an answer, write to one of the instructors.

Of course it is perfect if questions can be solved by our Gurú or a yogin, but in the mean time we should do research and be of use, there is a lot of litterature prepared for that.

I had myself strugled too much with this criteria while i was younger, and it has no value.. Old practitioners should help, not become an obstacle. Specially if we are not at 5 minutes from TR, ChNN and/or an instructor who has at least some level of realization.

An instructor is an e-mail away. You want qualified help, not any help. Asking about the details of one's practice on message boards is going to get you nowhere near where you need to be -- as this thread nicely shows.

In any case, this is an open forum. Everything that belongs to the SMS training is restricted, so much that you should not even discuss its content with another teacher, as ChNN has pointed out.

Sorry for asking this question here I will refrain from doing so again.

That said, I did get a clear answer to my question.

[jet.urgyen]

These are restricted practices, you know. Not to be talked about in the public.

In any case, there is no one on any online message board authorised by ChNN to answer such questions. If you need an answer, write to one of the instructors.

Of course it is perfect if questions can be solved by our Gurú or a yogin, but in the mean time we should do research and be of use, there is a lot of litterature prepared for that.

I had myself strugled too much with this criteria while i was younger, and it has no value.. Old practitioners should help, not become an obstacle. Specially if we are not at 5 minutes from TR, ChNN and/or an instructor who has at least some level of realization.

An instructor is an e-mail away. You want qualified help, not any help. Asking about the details of one's practice on message boards is going to get you nowhere near where you need to be -- as this thread nicely shows.

In any case, this is an open forum. Everything that belongs to the SMS training is restricted, so much that you should not even discuss its content with another teacher, as ChNN has pointed out.

I understand, but i don't see any SMS content, nor even exclusive content, so the point made is about that there might be a difference between what two Lamas teaches.

Different is to vulgarize a ChNN's training system, the methods, how to breathe, how to move, etc. That has samaya.

I think in that way, maybe im too soft haha but i really don't smell any danger in this.

[treehuggingoctopus]

Of course it is perfect if questions can be solved by our Gurú or a yogin, but in the mean time we should do research and be of use, there is a lot of litterature prepared for that.

I had myself strugled too much with this criteria while i was younger, and it has no value.. Old practitioners should help, not become an obstacle. Specially if we are not at 5 minutes from TR, ChNN and/or an instructor who has at least some level of realization.

An instructor is an e-mail away. You want qualified help, not any help. Asking about the details of one's practice on message boards is going to get you nowhere near where you need to be -- as this thread nicely shows.

In any case, this is an open forum. Everything that belongs to the SMS training is restricted, so much that you should not even discuss its content with another teacher, as ChNN has pointed out.

I understand, but i don't see any SMS content, nor even exclusive content, so the point made is about that there might be a difference between what two Lamas teaches.

Different is to vulgarize a ChNN's training system, the methods, how to breathe, how to move, etc. That has samaya.

I think in that way, maybe im too soft haha but i really don't smell any danger in this.

Please note that the original poster actually got two answers to their second question:

who is TR?

Bar rlung is more or less the same.

Tsoknyi Rinpoche. Is there any use training in bar rlung before fully developing kumbhaka?

Absolutely.

If it is Bar lung the breathing the i'm affraid is counterwise, kumbakha can be practiced but Bar lung is spontaneous, kumbhaka leads to parlung.

If it is not that Bar lung, then ignore this , i don't know much of tibetan language

How can they possibly decide which of you is correct if they do not know the answer in advance?

[treehuggingoctopus]

Sorry for asking this question here I will refrain from doing so again.

That said, I did get a clear answer to my question.

Asking such as yours is OK, I think. It just seems to me that one should reply in PMs.

[jet.urgyen]

An instructor is an e-mail away. You want qualified help, not any help. Asking about the details of one's practice on message boards is going to get you nowhere near where you need to be -- as this thread nicely shows.

In any case, this is an open forum. Everything that belongs to the SMS training is restricted, so much that you should not even discuss its content with another teacher, as ChNN has pointed out.

I understand, but i don't see any SMS content, nor even exclusive content, so the point made is about that there might be a difference between what two Lamas teaches.

Different is to vulgarize a ChNN's training system, the methods, how to breathe, how to move, etc. That has samaya.

I think in that way, maybe im too soft haha but i really don't smell any danger in this.

Please note that the original poster actually got two answers to their second question:

Tsoknyi Rinpoche. Is there any use training in bar rlung before fully developing kumbhaka?

Absolutely.

If it is Bar lung the breathing the i'm affraid is counterwise, kumbakha can be practiced but Bar lung is spontaneous, kumbhaka leads to parlung.

If it is not that Bar lung, then ignore this , i don't know much of tibetan language

How can they possibly decide which of you is correct if they do not know the answer in advance?

Studying, as usual.

Even if the DL say something we should examine, think and judge before integrate it in our criteria, no need to mention when a practitioner also say something.

That's how Buddhadharma should be learned. Isn't it?

[treehuggingoctopus]

Studying, as usual.

Well, studying what exactly? If the poster had been able to study, they would have answered their own question. If you mean that we could direct them to useful authoritative text that deals with the issue, then why not just do it instead of debating the problem in the public?

Even if the DL say something we should examine, think and judge before integrate it in our criteria, no need to mention when a practitioner also say something.

That's how Buddhadharma should be learned. Isn't it?

I am afraid I do not understand.

[Grigoris]

Okay guys, that is enough meta-discussion.

Carry on via PM if you wish.