Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by Simon E. » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:32 am

I would say so Peter.
Jungian and Freudian psychoanalysis are largely dated psychobabble.

Some psychotherapies are based on the science of psychology and can be very useful.
They can enable the person with depression or phobias or chronic anxiety to access Dharma for example.

But psychotherapy is not Dharma.

But we digress.
Back to fishin' folks... :namaste:

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:42 pm

PeterC wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:04 am
So they use something they don’t really understand as an analogy for something the audience doesn’t really understand.
That would be largely Fritjof Capra's fault. For example:


http://www.sutrajournal.com/science-and ... tjof-capra
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by PeterC » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:22 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:42 pm
PeterC wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:04 am
So they use something they don’t really understand as an analogy for something the audience doesn’t really understand.
That would be largely Fritjof Capra's fault. For example:


http://www.sutrajournal.com/science-and ... tjof-capra
I read The Tao of Physics some decades ago, and even then it was clear that many of the statements on physics in it were wrong - it was simply written at a point when they didn't know a lot of things that they know now. Frankly it read like someone who'd taken an excess of hallucinogens and convinced themselves that they were vastly cleverer than they really were.

The purveyors of this nonsense seem to be asserting:
(a) Dharma is profound
(b) Quantum physics is profound
(c) Dharma is....quantum physics, somehow.
Perhaps there's more to it than that. But not very much more.

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:37 pm

PeterC wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:22 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:42 pm
PeterC wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:04 am
So they use something they don’t really understand as an analogy for something the audience doesn’t really understand.
That would be largely Fritjof Capra's fault. For example:


http://www.sutrajournal.com/science-and ... tjof-capra
I read The Tao of Physics some decades ago, and even then it was clear that many of the statements on physics in it were wrong - it was simply written at a point when they didn't know a lot of things that they know now. Frankly it read like someone who'd taken an excess of hallucinogens and convinced themselves that they were vastly cleverer than they really were.

The purveyors of this nonsense seem to be asserting:
(a) Dharma is profound
(b) Quantum physics is profound
(c) Dharma is....quantum physics, somehow.
Perhaps there's more to it than that. But not very much more.
It is a bit like people being worried about mass—energy conversion when rainbow body is attained -- they really have not understood anything...

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by kirtu » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:11 pm

PeterC wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:22 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:42 pm


That would be largely Fritjof Capra's fault. For example:


http://www.sutrajournal.com/science-and ... tjof-capra
I read The Tao of Physics some decades ago, and even then it was clear that many of the statements on physics in it were wrong -
:x
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:37 pm
It is a bit like people being worried about mass—energy conversion when rainbow body is attained -- they really have not understood anything...
:rolling:

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"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by DGA » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:08 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:56 pm
You might want to try contacting Jack Petranker, who seems to be the main TSK guy at this time.
His website is here: http://www.creativeinquiry.org
I'm sure he would be happy to answer your questions, he seems very approachable.
I've met Jack and spent some time in discussion with him. He is approachable. I like him quite a lot, in fact.

According to Jack, TSK isn't Dharma. It is its own thing. I read four or five TSK books some years ago and Jack's perspective aligns with my memory of those books. I don't think they are a cipher for Dharma, but those books may be interesting to some on their own merits.

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Re: Does Tarthang Tulku teach dzogchen?

Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:13 am

BTW, you can see a video of the TSK 40th anniversary celebration that recently took place, at which Petranker was the main speaker, here:
https://livestream.com/accounts/2658124 ... /167081495
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche

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