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Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:19 pm
by Ignorant_Fool
I'm slowly making my way through the first few chapters but the significance of this translation is abundantly clear already.
jnanasutra wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:40 am
A study group on this text would be awesome actually :D
This is a great idea. What would be a good way to start this?
Any chance this would be web-casted / broadcasted in some form? :smile:

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:23 pm
by heart
Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:19 pm
I'm slowly making my way through the first few chapters but the significance of this translation is abundantly clear already.
jnanasutra wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:40 am
A study group on this text would be awesome actually :D
This is a great idea. What would be a good way to start this?
Any chance this would be web-casted / broadcasted in some form? :smile:
"And via Zoom videoconference for those who cannot attend in person."

/magnus

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:24 pm
by Ignorant_Fool
heart wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:23 pm
"And via Zoom videoconference for those who cannot attend in person."

/magnus
:oops:
Clearly, I didn't read it thoroughly. My bad.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:15 am
by Virgo
I am glad I made it. I just got back and I have to say that it was, as usual, a highly informative and entertaining talk by Malcolm.

Kevin...

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:20 am
by Norwegian
Virgo wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:15 am
I am glad I made it. I just got back and I have to say that it was, as usual, a highly informative and entertaining talk by Malcolm.

Kevin...
That it was.

Quite wonderful talk!

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:24 am
by amanitamusc
I watched on zoom.It was very informative and clearly explained.Nicely done Malcolm!
Many thanks.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:09 am
by Vasana
I forgot to tune in. Was it recorded via Zoom or elsewhere?

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:32 pm
by Jeff H
Norwegian wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:20 am
Virgo wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:15 am
I am glad I made it. I just got back and I have to say that it was, as usual, a highly informative and entertaining talk by Malcolm.

Kevin...
That it was.

Quite wonderful talk!
It was a bit over my head, but many accessible gems shone through. It's a pleasure to listen to you, Malcolm.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:28 pm
by Malcolm
Vasana wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:09 am
I forgot to tune in. Was it recorded via Zoom or elsewhere?
I am afraid it was not.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:15 am
by Vasana
Malcolm wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:28 pm
Vasana wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:09 am
I forgot to tune in. Was it recorded via Zoom or elsewhere?
I am afraid it was not.
Oh well. If you happen to speak on this again in the future, hopefully it can be recorded for us :)

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:35 am
by Ignorant_Fool
Noob question:

Where can I learn more about this Buddha "Powerful Heroic Youth" (Gzhon nu Dpa' bo stobs ldan) - which I'm guessing is Shyönnu Pawo Tobden, sixth of the 12 founding Dzogchen masters? Are there any literatures that explain more about this Buddha and his nirmanakaya field?

I'm still making my way through the first few chapters - going back and re-reading them over and over. Baby steps, I guess ...

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:27 pm
by Malcolm
Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:35 am
Noob question:

Where can I learn more about this Buddha "Powerful Heroic Youth" (Gzhon nu Dpa' bo stobs ldan) - which I'm guessing is Shyönnu Pawo Tobden, sixth of the 12 founding Dzogchen masters? Are there any literatures that explain more about this Buddha and his nirmanakaya field?

I'm still making my way through the first few chapters - going back and re-reading them over and over. Baby steps, I guess ...

Nyoshul Khenpo's book on the history of Dzogchen will have some information.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:55 pm
by Thomas Amundsen
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:27 pm
Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:35 am
Noob question:

Where can I learn more about this Buddha "Powerful Heroic Youth" (Gzhon nu Dpa' bo stobs ldan) - which I'm guessing is Shyönnu Pawo Tobden, sixth of the 12 founding Dzogchen masters? Are there any literatures that explain more about this Buddha and his nirmanakaya field?

I'm still making my way through the first few chapters - going back and re-reading them over and over. Baby steps, I guess ...

Nyoshul Khenpo's book on the history of Dzogchen will have some information.
Nyoshul Khenpo's book is amazing! And yes, it has three sentences about Zhonnu Pawo Tobden.

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:19 pm
by Ignorant_Fool
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:55 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:27 pm

Nyoshul Khenpo's book on the history of Dzogchen will have some information.
Nyoshul Khenpo's book is amazing! And yes, it has three sentences about Zhonnu Pawo Tobden.
The Fearless Lion's Roar?

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:32 pm
by Norwegian
Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:19 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:55 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:27 pm

Nyoshul Khenpo's book on the history of Dzogchen will have some information.
Nyoshul Khenpo's book is amazing! And yes, it has three sentences about Zhonnu Pawo Tobden.
The Fearless Lion's Roar?
No.

"A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems: Biographies of Masters of Awareness in the Dzogchen Lineage": http://www.tibetantreasures.com/Padma_P ... _Gems.html

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:35 pm
by Ignorant_Fool
Norwegian wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:32 pm
No.

"A Marvelous Garland of Rare Gems: Biographies of Masters of Awareness in the Dzogchen Lineage": http://www.tibetantreasures.com/Padma_P ... _Gems.html
Thanks a lot! :thanks:

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:22 am
by jnanasutra
If Gzhon nu Dpa’ bo stobs ldan is teaching a retinue (which includes Vajrapani) that is merely an emanation of his own pristine consciousness, then when this buddha sees the appearances of six realms of samsara it must be the case that the beings in each realm must also be emanations of his pristine consciousness. I understand the idea of the Yogācāra container universe model, however, this model works from the perspective of a deluded mind. So how does this buddha view sentient beings? Are sentient beings similar to the retinue in that they are his own emanations? I know the general phrases, “buddhas don’t see sentient beings” and “sentient beings do not exist.” That is not what I am getting at. I am trying to understand this from a Man ngag sde perspective. Any thoughts? Thanks. :smile:

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:57 pm
by oldbob
jnanasutra wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:22 am
If Gzhon nu Dpa’ bo stobs ldan is teaching a retinue (which includes Vajrapani) that is merely an emanation of his own pristine consciousness, then when this buddha sees the appearances of six realms of samsara it must be the case that the beings in each realm must also be emanations of his pristine consciousness. I understand the idea of the Yogācāra container universe model, however, this model works from the perspective of a deluded mind. So how does this buddha view sentient beings? Are sentient beings similar to the retinue in that they are his own emanations? I know the general phrases, “buddhas don’t see sentient beings” and “sentient beings do not exist.” That is not what I am getting at. I am trying to understand this from a Man ngag sde perspective. Any thoughts? Thanks. :smile:
While I am certainly not enlightened - just ask my lady friend Suzy - I am content to just be a bozo on the bus. But I've practiced a little and so I'll hazard a guess. (Posting anything these days seems a little hazardous.)

Perhaps the whole issue is a non-starter as in trying to write on water or air. Perhaps these questions do not function, or apply, to an enlightened Buddha.

So - perhaps our time is better spent - even for a moment - in contemplation and practices leading to enlightenment. When your mind wanders into questions like this, and this is a completely normal occurrence, gently bring it back to contemplation and practices leading to enlightenment, and again, and again, etc.

:buddha1:

I am sure that there is great benefit to all who seek to practice Dzogchen in reading the Dzogchen tantras.

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Arisen-Vidy ... 738&sr=1-6

Perhaps this will put to rest all your questions.

:heart:

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:04 am
by jnanasutra
oldbob wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:57 pm
jnanasutra wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:22 am
If Gzhon nu Dpa’ bo stobs ldan is teaching a retinue (which includes Vajrapani) that is merely an emanation of his own pristine consciousness, then when this buddha sees the appearances of six realms of samsara it must be the case that the beings in each realm must also be emanations of his pristine consciousness. I understand the idea of the Yogācāra container universe model, however, this model works from the perspective of a deluded mind. So how does this buddha view sentient beings? Are sentient beings similar to the retinue in that they are his own emanations? I know the general phrases, “buddhas don’t see sentient beings” and “sentient beings do not exist.” That is not what I am getting at. I am trying to understand this from a Man ngag sde perspective. Any thoughts? Thanks. :smile:
While I am certainly not enlightened - just ask my lady friend Suzy - I am content to just be a bozo on the bus. But I've practiced a little and so I'll hazard a guess. (Posting anything these days seems a little hazardous.)

Perhaps the whole issue is a non-starter as in trying to write on water or air. Perhaps these questions do not function, or apply, to an enlightened Buddha.

So - perhaps our time is better spent - even for a moment - in contemplation and practices leading to enlightenment. When your mind wanders into questions like this, and this is a completely normal occurrence, gently bring it back to contemplation and practices leading to enlightenment, and again, and again, etc.

:buddha1:

I am sure that there is great benefit to all who seek to practice Dzogchen in reading the Dzogchen tantras.

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Arisen-Vidy ... 738&sr=1-6

Perhaps this will put to rest all your questions.

:heart:
Um...ok. Got it. Thanks.

Sooo, any thoughts from anyone else?

Re: The Self-Arisen Vidya Tantra and The Self-Liberated Vidya Tantra A Translation of the Rigpa Rang Shar and Rigpa Rang

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:40 am
by jnanasutra
Just happened to read Chapter 59, “The Deed of Emanation.” It is related to my question, but I’m still unclear as to how the six realms of samsara fit in. :reading: