Quote by ChNNR about Dzogchen and God - where is it from?

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Jesus performed many miracles....just like Enlightened Yogis. So he must have been Enlightened. Christianity is not an accurate representation of Jesus...just like Buddhism is not an accurate representation of Buddha. Buddha was not a Buddhist. Jesus was not a Christian.

Can YOU walk on water ?
Can YOU raise the dead ?
Can YOU feed 5,000 + people with one loaf of bread ?
Can YOU cure leprosy ?
Can YOU change water into wine ?

Just to name a FEW things HE did.

[Losal Samten]

Just to name a FEW things HE did.

Shame about the piggies however.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Just to name a FEW things HE did.

Shame about the piggies however.

You mean exorcizing demons from them ?

[Losal Samten]

More specifically putting Legion into the herd of 2000 pigs and them running off down the bank drowning in the sea.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

More specifically putting Legion into the herd of 2000 pigs and them running off down the bank drowning in the lake.

30 Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31 The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

32 He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

https://bible.org/seriespage/11-demons- ... hew-828-34


They asked Jesus to do it


The pigs couldn't tolerate the evil spirits inside of them...that's why they dove into the water....

Now, when the demons go into the pigs, those poor animals cannot bear up under their presence, and they run headlong down into the lake and drown. Mark tells us that there were about 2,000 animals. What the humans tolerated and lived with these unclean animals could not. The sudden shock to their systems of the evil spirits drove them into the sea.

[Norwegian]

More specifically putting Legion into the herd of 2000 pigs and them running off down the bank drowning in the lake.

30 Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31 The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

32 He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

https://bible.org/seriespage/11-demons- ... hew-828-34


They asked Jesus to do it


The pigs couldn't tolerate the evil spirits inside of them...that's why they dove into the water....

Now, when the demons go into the pigs, those poor animals cannot bear up under their presence, and they run headlong down into the lake and drown. Mark tells us that there were about 2,000 animals. What the humans tolerated and lived with these unclean animals could not. The sudden shock to their systems of the evil spirits drove them into the sea.

So much for Jesus being a Buddha...

[dzogchungpa]

Wow, that's almost as bad as this.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

So much for Jesus being a Buddha...

Actually... he could of studied Buddhism and been a Buddhist.

http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Was_J ... dhist.html

[amanitamusc]

So much for Jesus being a Buddha...

Actually... he could of studied Buddhism and been a Buddhist.

http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Was_J ... dhist.html

Actually jesus traveled to India and learned from hari baba hazmat a renowned street magician
for number of years.

[Malcolm]

Jesus performed many miracles....just like Enlightened Yogis. So he must have been Enlightened.

Siddhis do not equal enlightenment.

[Malcolm]

So, why must we insist so strongly on foreclosing the mere possibility of any non-Buddhist being liberated to any degree?

One excellent reason might be the fact that the Buddha himself excluded the possibility.

How do we determine that this is the definitive meaning, and not a provisional teaching for a particular time, place, and retinue? Who can determine that?

I suspect that there are buddhas other than the ones we've all heard of, who have taught beings far from the limits of the South and East Asian cultural spheres. Perhaps the notion of lands to which a buddha has not appeared is mere parochialism codified by scholastics according to the limits of their knowledge.

Assuming the realization of emptiness to be a sine qua non:

If there are Mahāyāna practitioners who formally assent to emptiness without ever realizing it expetientially, could there not also be others who realize emptiness experientially without ever formally assenting to it? In that case, there could be Theravadins, for example, who did in fact realize emptiness fully rather than partially, but who never adopted or defended it publicly. Why could there not then be Buddhists (or bodhisattvas or buddhas) in all but name who realized emptiness to some degree or fully, without the need for formal instruction?

Emptiness realized by śrāvaka arhats, pratyekabuddhas, and buddhas is the same emptiness. The difference between buddhas and the former two is omniscience about paths, not liberation. In terms of liberation, all three are equal.

[krodha]

Jesus performed many miracles....just like Enlightened Yogis. So he must have been Enlightened. Christianity is not an accurate representation of Jesus...just like Buddhism is not an accurate representation of Buddha. Buddha was not a Buddhist. Jesus was not a Christian.

Can YOU walk on water ?
Can YOU raise the dead ?
Can YOU feed 5,000 + people with one loaf of bread ?
Can YOU cure leprosy ?
Can YOU change water into wine ?

Just to name a FEW things HE did.

Fictional characters are capable of many feats. I just saw a film recently where a raccoon flew a vessel through outer space.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Jesus performed many miracles....just like Enlightened Yogis. So he must have been Enlightened.

Siddhis do not equal enlightenment.

Yes...but Enlightened Buddhas can do all these things, and then some....
Do siddhis indicate levels of attainment or bhumi. ?

[Virgo]

Do siddhis indicate levels of attainment or bhumi. ?

They don't indicate any Buddhist attainment.

Kevin...

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Do siddhis indicate levels of attainment or bhumi. ?

They don't indicate any Buddhist attainment.

Kevin...

Ok...I'll throw this one in for fun....

A HERMIT AND A MONK…

A monk visited a hermit, who lived alone on an island doing retreat. The hermit had given himself three years to complete chanting ten million of the powerful six-syllable mantra of the Compassionate Buddha. The hermit had been told that attaining this level of practice would awaken his yogic powers. The mantra was “OM MANI PADME HUM”.

The monk listened as the hermit did his mantra and, with the best intention in the world, leaned over to him and whispered:

“I think you have got the pronunciation wrong. This mantra should be chanted this way…” and he proceeded to demonstrate. The hermit listened attentively and then watched as the monk walked back to his boat to leave the island.

Ten minutes later when the boat was halfway across the river the monk heard his name being called, and looking around, he spied the hermit and heard him call:

“Listen to this, have I got it right now?” and the hermit proceeded to chant the same mantra but with the monk’s intonation. Astounded, the monk turned around and saw the hermit walking on the water next to his boat. In that instant he realized that the hermit’s faith and sincerity had given his mantra recitation far more power than he had realized.

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Fictional characters are capable of many feats.

Aren't we all fictional characters ?
I highly doubt you or i will go down in history for thousands of years....

[Virgo]

Ok...I'll throw this one in for fun....

Yep. That could be considered an example.

Kevin

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

Ok...I'll throw this one in for fun....

Yep. That could be considered an example.

Kevin

What if you saw ChNN walking on water. Would you think it was because of his attainments or just something anyone could do ?

[Virgo]

What if you saw ChNN walking on water. Would you think it was because of his attainments or just something anyone could do ?

Non Buddhist spiritual practitioners (who have no Buddhist attainments) can gain siddhis. ChNN is a Buddhist master, so I would think it was because of that.

Kevin...

[A Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha]

“Most Westerners receive a Christian education and in the Christian tradition God is very diffused. God is recognized as something outside. They don’t know that God is in our real nature. If you have that knowledge and you are reading the bible, you can see there are many words that indicate God means our real nature. But then it developed in a more dualistic way. When they started to say, “the unique God governing all universe”, then it became easy to think God is governing everything. But it does not correspond in the real condition. So it is very important when you follow the Dzogchen Teachings, that you really understand what God means. It is not necessary to wonder if God exists or not. Some people are worried there is no God in Buddhism. In Buddhism there are so many kinds of gods, but Buddhists do not speak of the unique God. The essence of Buddhist teaching is Dzogchen, which is the final teaching of the Buddha Shakyamuni. Through Dzogchen we can really understand what God is and we don’t have to worry if there is a God or not. God always exists as our real nature, the base, for everybody.”

This is very clear to me. It's the only thing that makes sense. I always thought if there was a God, then WE WOULD HAVE TO BE IT too...because that's all there is...even if we were "created", we would have to be of the same substance as the "creator", because from what else does the "creator" have to create from ?....it would have to be from the same substance !!!!