Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

[Motova]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

[Wicked Yeshe]

Several kalpas i guess.

[jet.urgyen]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

not possible

[dzogchungpa]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.

[Motova]

By better I mean just like Buddha Amitabha's Pure Land but more accessible.

[Wicked Yeshe]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

not possible

Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

[jet.urgyen]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

not possible

Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/

[Wicked Yeshe]

not possible

Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/

Intresting.

We have to believe in the possibilities to evolve and create what these teachings actually are. I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though..

[Motova]

Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/

I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though..

Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.

[Wicked Yeshe]

cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/

I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though..

Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.

Indeed. But practically most difficult to fulfill. If i was abandoned by buddha i would do it but otherwise it's too difficult. Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.

[Motova]

I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though..

Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.

Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.

Wouldn't you still do that as a Buddha?

[Wicked Yeshe]

Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.

Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.

Wouldn't you still do that as a Buddha?

I think we already are!

[Motova]

How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

[jet.urgyen]

Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/

Intresting.

We have to believe in the possibilities to evolve and create what these teachings actually are. I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though..

i wonder if pure-land a skillful mean or it self manifests from emptyness ¿any one knows this? ¿is pure land a manifestation of effort or it manifests as pure-vision? so, ¿we attain pure-land manifestation or it self manifests?

[lelopa]

How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

6 days and He rests at the 7th day

[Johnny Dangerous]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.

[Vasana]

Maybe learn how to crawl before attempting a front-flip.

Reach the first Bhumi first.

Make aspirations.

[Wicked Yeshe]

How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

6 days and He rests at the 7th day

I wouldn't know.
"Shalom" is a brand of noodles to me.

[Malcolm]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.

Another dzogchungpa (tm) putdown.

[Malcolm]

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

One could not purify a buddhafield "better" than Amitabha's per se, but since buddhafields do not exist apart from one's own state, one ought not worry about it.