Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

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Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Motova » Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am

How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 1:51 am

Several kalpas i guess.

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 am

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.
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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri May 18, 2018 2:38 am

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.
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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Motova » Fri May 18, 2018 2:43 am

By better I mean just like Buddha Amitabha's Pure Land but more accessible.

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Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 3:19 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.
not possible
Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 am

Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:19 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.
not possible
Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?
cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/
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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 4:35 am

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:19 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 am


not possible
Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?
cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/
Intresting.

We have to believe in the possibilities to evolve and create what these teachings actually are. I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though.. :jumping:

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Motova » Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 am

Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:35 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:19 am


Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?
cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/
I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though.. :jumping:
Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.

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Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 4:49 am

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:35 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 am


cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/
I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though.. :jumping:
Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.
Indeed. But practically most difficult to fulfill. If i was abandoned by buddha i would do it but otherwise it's too difficult. Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.

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Post by Motova » Fri May 18, 2018 4:52 am

Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:49 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:35 am


I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though.. :jumping:
Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.
Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.
Wouldn't you still do that as a Buddha?

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 4:59 am

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:52 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:49 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:41 am


Buddha Amitabha's vows are a template.
Talk about aeons of constant work, breathing with beings, feeling their suffering as ones own etc.
Wouldn't you still do that as a Buddha?
I think we already are!

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Motova » Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 am

How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri May 18, 2018 5:14 am

Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 4:35 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 am
Wicked Yeshe wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 3:19 am


Why not? Amitabha buddha was a human once and went through many incarnations of hardship for our sake. Nothing says it can't be accomplished. But it is VERY and i really mean very difficult in all probability and beyond.

Where would such causes meet the conditions as for one to even begin a task like that? Lucky shots in the dark? Praying for it?
cannot be better. btw we dzogchen practitioners are normal persons, we are not dzogchenpas. (we have no continuum in rigpa)

well, this is just my opinion, i might have short sight :/
Intresting.

We have to believe in the possibilities to evolve and create what these teachings actually are. I don't think there is a "creating purified buddha fields for dummies" though.. :jumping:
i wonder if pure-land a skillful mean or it self manifests from emptyness ¿any one knows this? ¿is pure land a manifestation of effort or it manifests as pure-vision? so, ¿we attain pure-land manifestation or it self manifests? :jawdrop:
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Post by lelopa » Fri May 18, 2018 5:22 am

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 am
How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

6 days and He rests at the 7th day :spy:


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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri May 18, 2018 5:38 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:38 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.
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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Vasana » Fri May 18, 2018 7:44 am

Maybe learn how to crawl before attempting a front-flip.

Reach the first Bhumi first.

Make aspirations.
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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Wicked Yeshe » Fri May 18, 2018 11:06 am

lelopa wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:22 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 am
How long did it take Buddha Amitabha to make his pure land?

6 days and He rests at the 7th day :spy:


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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 18, 2018 11:53 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 2:38 am
Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.

Finally, a truly practice-related question.
Another dzogchungpa (tm) putdown.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Dzogchen Practitioner to Amitabha-like Buddha

Post by Malcolm » Fri May 18, 2018 1:15 pm

Motova wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:06 am
How long would it take a Dzogchen practitioner to make a Pure Land better than Buddha Amitabha's?

Thanks.
One could not purify a buddhafield "better" than Amitabha's per se, but since buddhafields do not exist apart from one's own state, one ought not worry about it.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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