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How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
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By putting faith in this mind being buddha. Then kindly asking what life is from that until it clears up.
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:heart:
Wicked Yeshe wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 8:44 pm By putting faith in this mind being buddha. Then kindly asking what life is from that until it clears up.
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bodhicitta
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Inner peace is nice, but not sufficient.
Buddhism sounds more like a religion than a path.

The path is to realise wisdom and compassion.

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Finding a qualified teacher is an excellent start.
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yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
What do you mean by ‘enlightenment’ and ‘inner peace’, kemosabe?
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yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
With enormous effort
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Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:55 am
yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
With enormous effort
That is debatable, given that most people already put enormous effort in things that are completely meaningless, careers, riches, etc.
(82) Whatever hardships there are in exhausting yourself
All the time for the sake of the puny desires (of the body)
That will definitely perish and (consequently)
Fall to joyless realms and worse,

(83) With one millionth of the hardship, there would be Buddhahood;
Whereas those with desires have suffering
Greater than those engaged in bodhisattva behavior,
And yet they have no enlightenment.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:55 am
yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
With enormous effort
:thumbsup:
The profound path of the master.
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Josef wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 9:53 pmbodhicitta
Definitely... :bow:
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With the view of valid cognition of the two truths, performing the two accumulations, resulting in the two bodies.
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Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:26 pm With the view of valid cognition of the two truths, performing the two accumulations, resulting in the two bodies.
What are the two truths and the two bodies?
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Wicked Yeshe wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:43 pm
Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:26 pm With the view of valid cognition of the two truths, performing the two accumulations, resulting in the two bodies.
What are the two truths and the two bodies?
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Two_truths

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Two_kayas

PS: However, excluse me, I just realized this is the Dzogchen forum, therefore the correct view is simply non-contrived, and to remain in that, assuming no position.
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yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
By finding a qualified Guru and following his or her instructions.

Kevin...
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Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:01 pm
PS: However, excluse me, I just realized this is the Dzogchen forum, therefore the correct view is simply non-contrived, and to remain in that, assuming no position.
I dream of dzogchen and we are all supposed to learn from each other so i don't mind seeing different schools etc talking to each other.
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Well, since this is the Dzogchen forum, the answer to the original question is probably something along these lines.

Explanation in terms of meditative practices:
First, do the preliminaries.
Then, receive pointing out instructions on the true nature of mind.
Next, start practicing Trek Chöd plus the supportive practices like, for instance, Guru Yoga and inner fire practices.
Once you are stable in Trek Chöd, add Tögel to your practice.
Continue until you've reached signs of accomplishment.

Explanation in terms of progressive stages:
Apply above meditative practices. Applied correctly, your practice will unfold through the four visions (as explained typically in the literature on Tögel). Once the fourth vision is completed, enlightenment is the result. There are attempts by, for example, Longchen Rabjam to align the development of the four visions with the 10 Mahayana Bodhisattva Bhumis. Progress could therefore also be explained in terms of the unfolding of the 10 bhumis.

Explanation in terms of the mind you apply during practice:
First, receive pointing out instructions. You might need to receive them many times. Doing so, you learn to distinguish ordinary mind from Rigpa. Once you've learned to distinguish these two, try to apply the view of Rigpa on everything that arises.

And so on.
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Aryjna wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:08 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:55 am
yaraaltamirano wrote: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am How would humans reach enlightenment through Buddhism and inner peace?
With enormous effort
That is debatable, given that most people already put enormous effort in things that are completely meaningless, careers, riches, etc.
(82) Whatever hardships there are in exhausting yourself
All the time for the sake of the puny desires (of the body)
That will definitely perish and (consequently)
Fall to joyless realms and worse,

(83) With one millionth of the hardship, there would be Buddhahood;
Whereas those with desires have suffering
Greater than those engaged in bodhisattva behavior,
And yet they have no enlightenment.
It’s not debatable. Every master including Buddha undergoes tremendous sacrifice and effort. But it’s not meaningless. It means everything.
Vajra fangs deliver vajra venom to your Mara body.
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Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:31 pm
Aryjna wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:08 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:55 am

With enormous effort
That is debatable, given that most people already put enormous effort in things that are completely meaningless, careers, riches, etc.
(82) Whatever hardships there are in exhausting yourself
All the time for the sake of the puny desires (of the body)
That will definitely perish and (consequently)
Fall to joyless realms and worse,

(83) With one millionth of the hardship, there would be Buddhahood;
Whereas those with desires have suffering
Greater than those engaged in bodhisattva behavior,
And yet they have no enlightenment.
It’s not debatable. Every master including Buddha undergoes tremendous sacrifice and effort. But it’s not meaningless. It means everything.
It is a matter of perspective. Slaving away at a job for most of your day for the duration of your life takes more effort. And you have been doing it, or things like it, for countless eons. Buddhahood can be accomplished with an insignificant fraction of this effort.
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Try reciting a billion mantras. Or sitting still for years. Even one month. Or even one day.
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