Well, lung by itself is not same as getting teaching on the text too, things might not be so clear, but if you got the lung you can read the text.LoveFromColorado wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:05 pm He did, hence my small confusion
I really liked his translators too, especially the woman during the first couple of days
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Greg, I’ve received many empowerments by a number of Nyingma lamas and I can’t remember them ever doing a separate refuge ceremony before the empowerment. The empowerment ritual itself contains refuge.Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:25 amUmmmmm... Every at single empowerment I have been to (Nyingma and Kagyu) there has been an "official" Refuge ceremony BEFORE the empowerments are given.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:18 pmHow strange. One doesn't even have to have taken refuge to take an empowerment, since refuge is given in the course of the empowerment. Were those registrations for Nyingma empowerments?
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Last time I saw CNR he never made it beyond the title! The essence of the text was transmittrd with nothing excluded. Really great you have managed to make this connection.LoveFromColorado wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:10 am Hi all, in the event that anyone watched all of the Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche talks like I did (live), wow, what a teaching!
We only made it about halfway through the text - is that typical in a transmission like this one? Should that be considered the full transmission of the text? There are some practices later in the text that Rinpoche did not discuss, and I want to be sure that his transmission included these latter portions of the text before I start reading them more deeply and contemplate practicing them.
I hope that question makes sense - thank you!!
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Same. I have never experienced a separate refuge ceremony before an empowerment that includes one. That would just be redundant.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:52 pmGreg, I’ve received many empowerments by a number of Nyingma lamas and I can’t remember them ever doing a separate refuge ceremony before the empowerment. The empowerment ritual itself contains refuge.Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:25 amUmmmmm... Every at single empowerment I have been to (Nyingma and Kagyu) there has been an "official" Refuge ceremony BEFORE the empowerments are given.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:18 pmHow strange. One doesn't even have to have taken refuge to take an empowerment, since refuge is given in the course of the empowerment. Were those registrations for Nyingma empowerments?
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I have seen it done both ways. But it is not necessary. All empowerments being with refuge, and bodhicitta, because all empowerments must bestow the three vows, or renew them in those who have received them before.Grigoris wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:25 amUmmmmm... Αt every single empowerment I have been to (Nyingma and Kagyu) there has been an "official" Refuge ceremony BEFORE the empowerments are given.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:18 pmHow strange. One doesn't even have to have taken refuge to take an empowerment, since refuge is given in the course of the empowerment. Were those registrations for Nyingma empowerments?
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It makes some people happy to participate in a hair-cutting ceremony and be granted a refuge name.Josef wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:29 pmSame. I have never experienced a separate refuge ceremony before an empowerment that includes one. That would just be redundant.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:52 pmGreg, I’ve received many empowerments by a number of Nyingma lamas and I can’t remember them ever doing a separate refuge ceremony before the empowerment. The empowerment ritual itself contains refuge.
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And there is no need to deny them of that happiness!Malcolm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:27 pmIt makes some people happy to participate in a hair-cutting ceremony and be granted a refuge name.Josef wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:29 pmSame. I have never experienced a separate refuge ceremony before an empowerment that includes one. That would just be redundant.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:52 pm
Greg, I’ve received many empowerments by a number of Nyingma lamas and I can’t remember them ever doing a separate refuge ceremony before the empowerment. The empowerment ritual itself contains refuge.
Refuge, if taken seriously, is a serious entry into Dharma.
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Going for refuge is the only entry into Dharma, whether one participates in a ritual or not.
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I mean the "official" ceremony, if taken seriously...
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Greg, I personally found the formal refuge ceremony immensely meaningful; ditto for the bodhisattva vow ceremony. It was early on, many years ago, and I didn't fully realize at the time that the refuge I'd taken, and bodhicitta I'd given rise to, were every bit as official as the ceremonies, nor that I'd basically received the vows officially several times already in the course of empowerment, so the dedicated refuge and bodhicitta ceremonies made it feel official. If asked, I would still encourage anyone who feels sincerely committed to Dharma to take advantage of such opportunities.
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ChNNR to my knowledge never gave a ceremonial refuge giving out names but he did teach a very concise and practical
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