Well they were influenced by gradualism as well by the time that corresponds to probably sometime just after the Middle Ages in the Western World.
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Well they were influenced by gradualism as well by the time that corresponds to probably sometime just after the Middle Ages in the Western World.
Recently someone asked Bhikkhu Bodhi in his discourse on Anguttar Nikaya, he mentioned two things. One is related with bhikku not following the vinaya rules and another is disappearance of satipathana sutta teaching.Dorje Shedrub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:23 pm I can't find it, but I thought that there was a scripture that said Buddhism will disappear when Buddhist monastics disappear.
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There is a Jataka story about the King’s dream which I can’t remember properly right now. (Sakyamuni interpreted those dreams).From Ani Sutta from SN:
Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, there once was a time when the Dasarahas had a large drum called 'Summoner.' Whenever Summoner was split, the Dasarahas inserted another peg in it, until the time came when Summoner's original wooden body had disappeared and only a conglomeration of pegs remained.
"In the same way, in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.
"In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.
"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."
The Nyingma approach, at least with my root lamas (not counting ChNN, who I also count as a root lama), is to place emphasis on ngondro first, but while concurrently transmitting Dzogchen and instructing in Dzogchen practice within the context of ngondro from the start. Even when they teach us sutra, Dzogchen ends up worked in. Dzogchen permeates everything from the start.
That's good to know.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:49 amThe Nyingma approach, at least with my root lamas (not counting ChNN, who I also count as a root lama), is to place emphasis on ngondro first, but while concurrently transmitting Dzogchen and instructing in Dzogchen practice within the context of ngondro from the start. Even when they teach us sutra, Dzogchen ends up worked in. Dzogchen permeates everything from the start.
Good posts all.Mantrik wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:50 amThat's good to know.Pema Rigdzin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:49 amThe Nyingma approach, at least with my root lamas (not counting ChNN, who I also count as a root lama), is to place emphasis on ngondro first, but while concurrently transmitting Dzogchen and instructing in Dzogchen practice within the context of ngondro from the start. Even when they teach us sutra, Dzogchen ends up worked in. Dzogchen permeates everything from the start.
With the Yungdrung guy I saw the only thing that permeated everything from the start was money......and lots of it.