Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

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Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by Motova » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm

Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
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The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by Josef » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm

Motova wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm
Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by Motova » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:25 pm

Josef wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm
Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
Thank you.
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by ratna » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm

Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.

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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by florin » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:52 pm

ratna wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm
Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Yes semsde and longde dont seem to be connected to G.R.
All i know is that the root of semde is Garab Dorje and that of longde Heruka Ngondzog Gyalpo.
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Post by Crazywisdom » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:03 pm

ratna wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm
Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Neither does Chetsun Nyingthig
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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:10 pm

Josef wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm
Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
bon is connected with prahevajra without GP?

i mean, to be part of the transmission
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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by Josef » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:28 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:10 pm
Josef wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm
Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
bon is connected with prahevajra without GP?

i mean, to be part of the transmission
No, they have their own sources. Whether one accepts them or not is another topic.
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Ceaseless flowing of appearance.
Beautiful and repulsive.
The dance of life and death is a display of the vast expanse.
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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by heart » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:15 pm

ratna wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm
Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Semde and Longde go through Vairochana.

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Re: Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

Post by Motova » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:16 pm

Thank you for the responses. :smile:
Malcolm wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:58 pm
The four means of converting beings to the Dharma are generosity (which itself as four aspects: giving material gifts, conferring fearlessness, loving kindness and teaching Dharma), pleasant speech, conduct and setting an example.

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