Guru Rinpoche and Lineages

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Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
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Motova wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
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Josef wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
Thank you.
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Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
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ratna wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Yes semsde and longde dont seem to be connected to G.R.
All i know is that the root of semde is Garab Dorje and that of longde Heruka Ngondzog Gyalpo.
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ratna wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Neither does Chetsun Nyingthig
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Josef wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
bon is connected with prahevajra without GP?

i mean, to be part of the transmission
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:10 pm
Josef wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Motova wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:22 pm Do all current Dzogchen lineages include Guru Rinpoche?
Bon lineages I would imagine don’t necessarily include him.
I’ve never encountered a Buddhist Dzogchen lineage that doesn’t have him in there in some way.
bon is connected with prahevajra without GP?

i mean, to be part of the transmission
No, they have their own sources. Whether one accepts them or not is another topic.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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ratna wrote: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:04 pm Vima Nyingtik doesn't go through Padmasambhava. Also Semde and Longde.
Semde and Longde go through Vairochana.

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Thank you for the responses. :smile:
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